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Scraped or Stolen Content: What To Do First
rogerd

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Msg#: 522 posted 4:05 pm on Dec 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

"They stole my site!"
"Another site copied my content!"

Sound familiar? In the Content Forum, by far the most common type of post is of the stolen site variety. There are some steps one take when this happens, and I'm hopeful that we can bring the collective wisdom of WebmasterWorld to bear on this all-too-frequent complaint.

I'll throw out a few ideas - feel free to chime in with your suggestions and descriptions of what has worked for you. One ground rule - let's focus on the post-theft phase, i.e., lets cover things you can do to prevent or prepare for content theft in a separate thread. CAUTION - we don't offer legal advice here at WebmasterWorld. Everyone's situation is different (particularly with our diverse geography here), and you should rely on your attorney, preferably an intellectual property attorney, for appropriate advice.

So, let's start with this unfortunate scenario: you are doing a search related to your site in your favorite search engine, and you spot a listing that looks like yours... but it's a different domain. You visit the site, and find your content has been ported to an unrelated domain. What do you do first? Here are some conversation-starters - feel free to add to them, disagree, etc. Note that the extent of research you do will depend on the nature of the violator - if you'll end up in court, you need far more complete documentation than if the violator is out of reach legally.

RESEARCH PHASE

Learn about the perpetrators. At a minimum, check and document the following:
- WHOIS info for their domain - owner, contacts, nameservers, date registered.
- Determine the domain's IP address, and do a reverse IP lookup to find out who the IP address is registered to and hence who is hosting the domain.
- Make a copy of the offending site in its current condition using a site copy tool.
- Print dated page dumps or screenshots illustrating samples of the stolen content.
- If the site owners are identifiable, research them to find company contacts, etc.
- Identify the business partners of the ripoff site, i.e., if they are running affiliate ads, determine their affiliate partner(s) and their affiliate IDs.
- Check the Wayback Machine or other archive to see if they have a copy of the offending site; document the earliest date it appears. (Or, note that it doesn't appear at all.)

Assemble documentation for your site. In an ideal world, you'd already have all this ... but get what you can now.
- Print dated page dumps or screenshots of your site.
- Print WHOIS info showing when you registered your domain.
- Document when you first published your content. You may have written records of this, or perhaps your file creation dates are the original dates. Your host may have backup tapes that show early dates for your content. Check the Wayback Machine or other archive.
- Pull together any documents supporting your claim to the content - publication in written form with the author's byline, copyright documents, letters of transmittal from a content author, etc.
- In the U.S., one free or inexpensive method for dating documents is using a notary public (found in most banks and other locations). Check with your attorney to see if this is appropriate in your situation.

Identify any other proof. Sometimes the content may be altered to make it appear original - if you have anything unique in your content (e.g., a typographic error) that appears in the stolen version, document it as additional proof.

ACTION PHASE

E-mail Notice. In a few cases, the offending content will be removed as soon as you let them know you have discovered it. For example, it may have been included in error or without the knowledge of management. In other cases, the perpetrator may not want to call attention to their site and may agree to remove the copied content. Therefore, many webmasters suggest an initial, non-threatening contact with the offending site. Unfortunately, an e-mail is a low-impact means of communication and this will probably fail in most cases. Its sole advantage is its immediacy: you can spot a problem and put the site owner on notice in a matter of minutes.

Written Notice. Written notice of copyright infringement is superior to e-mail, both from an impact and documentation standpoint. Let the owner of the offending site know that you have discovered your copyrighted content on his site, and provide a brief time-frame for its removal prior to your taking additional steps. You can decide whether to adopt a friendly or threatening tone for this communication. To increase the impact and to document receipt of your complaint, consider sending it via Certified Mail (U.S.), Federal Express, etc., and require a signature upon delivery. Having to sign for the document will add to the impression that you are serious. It will also provide documentation that your complaint was delivered.

Of course, maximum impact will come from a letter on lawyer's letterhead. Business owners hate to see attorneys get involved as they know that even if they win it will be expensive, and will often head off any perceived legal problems before they get into serious billable hours. Your lawyer should be able to write an appropriate letter at low cost, particularly if you do the up-front research and all the lawyer has to do is put the threatening words on paper.

Web Host/ISP Contact. If you are not making progress with the site owner, can't find the site owner, etc., the offending web site's host or connectivity provider may be convinced to step in. Success will depend on the firm and your documentation. Free hosts can often be convinced to take down copyright violations quickly; a site hosted on a private server connected to the Internet by a major pipe may be tougher to impact. Reference the Digital Millennium Copyright Act in your communications. Written notice is probably better, but many hosts/ISPs are set up with abuse coordinators that will process e-mail complaints.

Search Engine Contact. It's not really solving the problem, but search engines can sometimes be convinced to remove copyright-violating material from their index. Particularly if your stolen content is showing up in searches (or even outranking your original content), this is a good parallel track to pursue. Since content is often stolen to boost search rankings or referral volume, getting the thief de-indexed will remove a major motivation for his leaving the content in place. Search engines aren't always very good at handling individual complaints, but some members have reported success with this approach.

Business Partner Contact. If the site has identifiable business partners, e.g., affiliate links to individual firms or affilate aggregators, brand name merchandise, etc., consider putting these parties on notice that your copyrighted content is being used to market their products without authorization.

One final reminder - your approach should be suited to the value of your content, the scope of the copyright violation, and the nature/location of the violating site. In some cases, a full-court press involving IP attorneys is well-justified, while in others it may be overkill or simply unlikely to yield results.

Let's hear from some members now! What's worked? What hasn't?

 

Labyrinth

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 12:17 pm on Dec 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

a TV movie reviewer MAY use small portions of a movie being reviewed in their review w/o the expressed permission of the copyright holder.

They may use small portions provided in a media pack (which is indeed permission) -- they may not use small portions of a bootleg version they shoot on a video camera while seeing the movie at the local theatre... or rather, if they use a bootleg version, they may not win the ensuing lawsuit.

A book reviewer may quote small passages of a book w/o fear of copyright infringement.

Which is unrelated because there is no image being reproduced.

I have spoken with attorneys for a few of the "magazines" represented on my site, and they have told me they feel it is an acceptible use.

Which is not the same as your reproductions withstanding a court case by a not-so-agreeable company.

rogerd

WebmasterWorld Administrator rogerd us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 4:43 pm on Dec 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

Let's keep this on-topic as far as steps one can take to deal with stolen content. One general truth about intellectual property law is that a company with an ample legal budget can make life miserable for someone else regardless of the details and who has the law on their side.

JudgeJeffries

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 6:50 pm on Dec 25, 2003 (gmt 0)

I've just won a claim by way of a substantial agreed settlement.
If anyone in the UK wants the details of a savvy firm of solicitors who will do it on no win no fee provided the evidence is there and the perpetrator has assets just sticky me.

NeedScripts

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 6:12 am on Dec 26, 2003 (gmt 0)

I believe if someone wants to file a genuine DMCA copyright infringement notice, then it might be equally important to follow proper guidelines and below link might help a lot ::

[digital-law-online.com...]

Hope this helps too :)

NS

IanCP

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 9:09 pm on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well my experience has largely been positive.

Usually a stern, polite email to the offender with another one to the host works well.

The exception in my experience, are free hosts or ISP's who offer free hosting as a package. They simply don't want to know about it.

DRGather

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 9:56 pm on Dec 28, 2003 (gmt 0)

Usually a stern, polite email to the offender with another one to the host works well.

Agreed. In my case I really didn't even have to be firm in my email. All I had to do was mention the word copyright and the fact that I was aware they were using it. The day after I emailed them they took the content down. They never actually responded to my email, but the end result is what's important I suppose. I guess if they had responded to my email it would have basically been an admission of guilt, so that's probably why I never received one.

shaadi

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 12:59 pm on Dec 29, 2003 (gmt 0)

Some things are covered here:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Ossie40

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 1:17 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

filo wrote >>>> How did you find out? Did someone send you an email or did you do a search on google?

I've come across a few sites by just clipping the first 20 words of each of my articles into Google. Obviously your own site will be there - but when you see exactly the same words on the 2nd and 3rd results you know you have a problem! (unless you have granted permission for them).

I don't go to hard on non-commercial sites - your initial email normally gives them enough to worry about unless they are real cowboys (renegades). I have mostly got them to strip the article back to the top third & add a link to my site to "read the rest at www.."

If there is any commercial aspect to the offending site I send them an email my lawyer has worded for me. I spray it everywhere - find who is running the site, the domain owner, host etc.

I also put my lawyers email address in the c.c. line & tell the offender I am compelled to do it by my lawyer (even if I am not!).

As someone else said here earlier, you have to protect your content otherwise what do you have left?

happymagic

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 6:57 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

I had my pages copied exactly -- right down to the title tag that included mydomainname.com

I think google may have penalized me for duplicate content.

Although I've gotten the offender to remove those pages from the site. When you search for the name of my site, their site still appears in google as a cached. If you click the link it goes to the offender's 404 page.

How long will google keep pointing to this page? If there is a penalty, how long does it usually stay in effect?

rogerd

WebmasterWorld Administrator rogerd us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 7:33 pm on Dec 30, 2003 (gmt 0)

As noted above, happymagic, one step you can take is to contact the search engine(s) directly. If you got bumped from Google and they are still listing the other guy's old pages, this might be a good idea. Otherwise, you'll have to wait until Google respiders both sites and sorts things out - could be a month or two, but it's hard to predict.

newsphinx

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 5:43 am on Jan 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

The best solution to this is to file a lawsuit against them or contact the plagiary, require them to immediately remove, threaten them with a lawsuit. We used to have and still have some guys who stole our content. But file a complaint with Google according to DMCA is so time consuming if your copied content is huge! I had to done a 300 pages paperwork and mailed it to Google! And Google required me to redo the work! :( Finally we contacted the plagiary and threaten them with a lawsuit. They immediately removed all our content. Pretty fast.

Harry

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 3:47 pm on Jan 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just need to comment about something said by Webwork which I disagree with in terms of philosophy.

I want copiers to stop copying my stuff or ask permission with compensasion to use them. Going further than that, such as seizing their domain or other assets goes overboard and makes me no better than them.

Just like I don't want others to take what is mine, I assume that they, even if they steal, do not want me to take what is theirs. Proper compensation is enough. I find that going too far is a waste of time an unfair and greed. It's also unbalanced.

But that's just my opinion.

phidentity

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 522 posted 3:44 pm on Jan 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not offering advice here, but a funny story.

Someone stole a whole design off a friend. He'd been coding / working on the images for about a year and ready to launch the site.

He contacted them and the host, no response for days. He then noticed, they were referencing the images off his server!

He renamed the images on his server, and uploaded various new ones for the ones they were referencing. One such one was "WE STEAL SOURCE CODE FROM (sitename.com)"

A few hours of there site looking stupid, they took everything down and havn't done anything since.

Success!

Jon

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