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how to fight made for adsense sites?
la_oveja




msg:928703
 2:17 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

What do you do if you find a site made for adsense that's mainly a copy of a yellow pages site, steals articles from different sites, steals news from google news and other sources and stuffes every page with keywords and misspellings?
I already reported it as spam in google, but if they are banned, i'm sure they will simply register another domain and do the same thing again.
I don't own any of the content they're using, but just thinking someone is making money stealing other people work makes me sick.
Is there anything else someone could do to fight against this MFA sites? Should I report it to the sites they are stealing from or is it useless?
Anyone has any similar experience to share?

 

angelos




msg:928704
 10:27 am on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Welcome to the forums!

You know, the issue of copyright infringemens on the internet has always been quite topical. Certainly there ought to be found some ways to face it. But I think it should be done on the level of some powerful Internet players that can really influence on the situation essencially and change it globally. Your trying to assume the functions of, say, internet police is praiseworthy, of course, but on the other hand they appear to be rather futile, 'cause it's a system problem and it can't be exterminated by some individual precedents.

bts111




msg:928705
 1:11 pm on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld!

Unless you have been put on earth to be the super hero that fights MFA's, I would forget about.

Move on! Use your special powers on your own sites.

outland88




msg:928706
 8:16 pm on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Click on the Ads by Google emblem in the Ad box and report them. It does work.

viggen




msg:928707
 8:26 pm on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I never came across a mfa site that ranked on anything in my niches, so i a) hardly see them and b) if i see one i just ignore them, because life is too short to use my engergy on any other sites then my own...

regards
viggen

lcampers




msg:928708
 5:31 am on Feb 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

make better sites that people will go to directly

Magnatolia




msg:928709
 1:51 am on Feb 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

How certain are you that the articles/content has been stolen? Hmm?

Fyi, some sites will agree to let other sites host a copy of their articles. And then you've got websites who have affiliate setups that allow sites

Oh, and what is wrong with a site that is made for adsense if the owner of the site doesn't a) steal content, b) post crap?

In the near future I will be creating small sites targeted to niche topics. But I will research the topic and provide relevant material, plus some advertising. And just because I'm not an expert in that topic doesn't mean I shouldn't create a site. That's like saying a newsreporter shouldn't report on topics about war unless they've been in the war!

malachite




msg:928710
 8:30 pm on Feb 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Oh, and what is wrong with a site that is made for adsense if the owner of the site doesn't a) steal content, b) post crap?

b) is the whole point, as most MFAs are just that - crap. They serve no useful purpose to Joe Surfer, existing only to make money for the site owner. While that may be good for the owner, these sites certainly don't enhance the user experience for genuine surfers.

netchicken1




msg:928711
 10:22 pm on Feb 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

We need someone to make a tool that you can click on when you find an adsence sucker site, that will electrocute the webmaster whilst he is sitting at his computer.

That'll fix 'em

rincey




msg:928712
 10:37 am on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

They serve no useful purpose to Joe Surfer, existing only to make money for the site owner

This is what they share with most TV programs, magazines and at least 80% of my daily newspaper. Sounds like you are talking about the advertising industry as a whole :)

I think MFAs are just another attempt to create more advertising space, mostly targeted to the unexperienced surfers.

We tried, but we can't beat them, most if the times not even those who steal our content. So I tend to ignore them or take them as a source of inspiration for new ideas in data extraction techniques.

Harry




msg:928713
 2:57 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you can't beat them, join them!

engine




msg:928714
 4:36 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you can't beat them, join them!

I'm sure you don't condone plagiarism. ;)

figment88




msg:928715
 5:09 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just received a link request from a site that copied my directory's link structure and pre-populated their categories with the snippets from the first four listings in each of my categories.

I decided not to engage in a link exchange.

PinkMoon




msg:928716
 3:44 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)


What do you do if you find a site made for adsense

If I were you I would report google ;)

VegasRook




msg:928717
 6:13 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

The legitimate MFA site owners are future customers. Once they realize that content needs to be original and exclusive and that Google, in particular, is increasing the duplicate content penalty, they come knocking.

Pennies now or dollars later?

percentages




msg:928718
 6:26 am on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

>If you can't beat them, join them!
>I'm sure you don't condone plagiarism.

That is a bag of worms. I don't condone plagiarism, but, by defintion I must therefore sue Netscape/AOL tomorrow morning as its DMoz entry for many of my sites is plainly plagiarism. And often done without my permission.

Then I guess law-suits against Yahoo for its directory entry and Google for stealing my title and tags, etc..... are justified?

The Internet is to the 21st Century what the wild-west was to America in the 19th Century.

Sure we can sue people instead of shooting them now, but, most of the principals are still the same.......We are all trying to grab some real estate that the law has not yet sufficiently defined.

As a conclusion:

>If you can't beat them, join them!

Doesn't sound like such bad advice to me....for now at least!

outland88




msg:928719
 10:03 pm on Mar 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

As a conclusion:

>If you can't beat them, join them!

Doesn't sound like such bad advice to me....for now at least!<

So to cut to the chase does that mean most Adsense people don't mind other people including other Adsense owners stealing from them? Is that what you are saying?

engine




msg:928720
 12:31 am on Mar 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

but, by defintion I must therefore sue Netscape/AOL tomorrow morning as its DMoz entry for many of my sites is plainly plagiarism. And often done without my permission.

Big difference to the previous point. You can contact Netscape/AOL (without suing them) and have your entry removed. Try doing either of those things and having success with a thief.

Back to the OP, if G has created the opportunity, then why not just leave it and let G sort it out. Reporting a site is like holding back the tide.

If you don't find the information you need, go and use a different search engine. Google will soon pick up on that if enough people take that step.

If it really upsets you to see poor quality or copied MFA sites, feel free to report it. On the ads, you'll find the text "Ads by Goooooogle" Click on that to make your comments. Let the owner of the original material know.
I applaud you if you do.

Harry




msg:928721
 5:01 am on Mar 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Re My "If you can't beat them, join them" comment.

There's not much honest folks can do if they keep complaining about the competition. I'm sure there are a couple of tricks we can learn from the spammers.

I say think like a winner and you will win.

ronburk




msg:928722
 12:09 am on Mar 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I already reported it as spam in google, but if they are banned, i'm sure they will simply register another domain and do the same thing again.

That's certainly not been my experience. While using Google like a Real Person, if I run into high-ranking results that are useless, I respond to Google's entreaty to fill out the "dissatisfied" form to help them improve.

Then, when the next major algorithm update comes out, I invariably find that most of the useless crud pages I reported are nowhere to be found -- along with just about everybody using the same form/technique for generating high-ranking crud pages.

So yeah, they can register another domain, but they sure can't do the same thing again. They gotta tinker and tinker and come up with something that beats the new algorithm. And then the whole cycle starts again.

The nice thing is, it's getting harder and harder to beat the algorithm. If 'twere not so, there would be absolutely nothing but spam in the top ten of every search result of any monetary value :-)

tigertom




msg:928723
 1:43 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

If they're really taking the p*ss, report them to their advertisers. Removes their raison d'etre. Simple.

Saying Google or Yahoo does the same as MFAs: those companies offer a _great_ deal more than any MFA site. That kind of logic can be fatal to your chances of lasting internet success :]

I see a lot of these sites using or mashing up my 'free for reprint' articles. Many are awful; pure, deliberate dross, and if they disappear, no loss.

And they _will_ disappear: too many, too similar, a tweak of the algorithm, and "poof!".

Cue, on WebmasterWorld: "Update_Name wiped out my sites, Google is crap! etc."

Anyone know if there are many MFA webmasters are on WebmasterWorld, out of interest?

It's OK if you're a sh*t-hot black hat SEO making a six figure income every year, and your sites get blitzed: you just go back to your PC, and up your game. Another day at the office.

For a newbie, it will be a sorrier tale, especially if he had a fairly decent site.

He gets a few bob from Adsense, reads posts about MFAs or duplicate content software on webmaster forums, buys said software (only $97!), and gets nuked.

------

Urrr ... time for bed, I think ... arrgh

:)

dibbern2




msg:928724
 7:26 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I create sites made for AdSense.

I don't steal, instead I research and write about topics that in my opinion are of interest to the people in my market niches.

When my sites succeed, its because I provided something that someone else didn't. Or because I provided the information in a better way.

Whats wrong with that?

The 'nets almost 100% a commercial broadcasting medium, with content -good, bad, and terrible- and lots of commercials. What else did you expect?

tigertom




msg:928725
 11:28 am on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I understand MFA sites as being sites which are simply a bunch of auto-generated links and free reprint articles. Anyone landing on them looks for a link to get off, fast, that link being a Google Adsense one.

It's shorthand for a particular type of low-value site.

oddsod




msg:928726
 12:18 pm on Mar 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

but just thinking someone is making money stealing other people work makes me sick

Fretting about other people making money is not a productive use of time. That is makes you "sick" suggests an unhealthy preoccupation with being policeman to the world. Move on, at least for your own health.

voices




msg:928727
 3:02 pm on Mar 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Anytime the system is abused, the system will be changed. Simple example is the constant SE algo changes that are needed to eliminate spam from the serps. Good pages were of course taken down with the bad, no system is perfect.

If you can't beat them join them is not good advice. The changes that will no doubt come to adsense as a result of people abusing the system will no doubt hurt everyone. Don't bite the hand that feeds you!

tigertom




msg:928728
 4:40 pm on Mar 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

"If you can't beat, 'em, join 'em" is a recipe for wasting a year on MFA sites, getting dropped from the index, when you could have been working on a long-term, legit earner, which you could point to with pride.

When I auto-generated pages etc., I found it as much work as coming up with 'legit' material.

It's easier to pay several people $10 each for 500 on-topic words. You get unique content, which won't break the bank, while you sit on your bottom.

You need to think: What am I interested in, that many other people really want, that I can make a fat _net_ profit on?

Come up with a hit gizmo or service, or copy someone else, with a new, improved wrinkle.

PS: I'm still thinking about what I could produce that would be a big hit. It's a lot more fun, and research is free.

****ing about with spamming software is ennervating, and the guys who got in early, and cleaned up, are probably moving on now, leaving you to get smacked by the next update.

I propose TigerTom's Law Of Webmaster Hype: If some geezer with a one-page site full of marketing-speak is selling The Next Big Thing for $97, back away fast.

PerfectReign




msg:928729
 9:47 pm on Mar 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

And just because I'm not an expert in that topic doesn't mean I shouldn't create a site. That's like saying a newsreporter shouldn't report on topics about war unless they've been in the war!

Valid point, there. In fact, all my sites have been setup because I (a) didn't know about a topic and (b) wanted to create an area to learn more about said topic.

Of course, simply posting a site for affiliate links is lame. Not unethical, just lame.

Beagle




msg:928730
 5:04 pm on Mar 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

And just because I'm not an expert in that topic doesn't mean I shouldn't create a site. That's like saying a newsreporter shouldn't report on topics about war unless they've been in the war!

I'd expect the reporter to do enough research to know what he's talking about before he gives a report that I'm going to rely on. Owners who want to provide good content for their visitors do the same thing - PerfectReign sounds like a good example of that. It's just the ones who don't know what they're talking about and don't care that they don't know what they're talking about that cause the credibility problems.

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