|Once upon a time this board was about writing...|
| 1:50 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
And now, it's mostly about "tricks" to get "contents" on one's site. I remember good posts discussing the nitty and gritty of good prose. Classics, such as a good introduction, proper grammar, ponctuation and so on.
Now, this board is either about
1-Somebody stole my site - which we always have had and I can't blame people for complaining as it is a real problem.
2-How can I get contents with the least effort and generate money with it.
Is the quality of Webmaster World going down?
| 3:29 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Second the motion, or complaint or whatever you'll file it as. I miss those days too, and rarely visit this area anymore due to the dominance of Type 1 issues you stated above.
Issue 1 is due to the fact that copyright (legal aspect) and copywriting (content generation, not a real word) were boxed into one area as many members didn't understand the different between the two "copyrights/writes" and the mods gave up trying to explain the difference. Yes, I am serious.
Issue 2, is I guess always going to be part and parcel of the copywriting as I can't imagine a forum being setup for solely for "Auto Generated Content". Personally I find both interesting, but you're right they do require very different skills.
| 3:42 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Topics include, content creation, management, writing, updating, licensing, and copyright. |
That is at the top of the forum page. It's pretty broad, so it isn't surprising that the questions asked are too.
|I remember good posts discussing the nitty and gritty of good prose |
Which I always enjoy, or enjoyed, too. But this is not primarily a writer's board - it is a webmaster board. Given that content is inextricably linked to so many other aspects of site management, notably SEO, it is inevitable that the emphasis will reflect that.
I do kind of agree though - there are a lot of posts about how to not bother writing as distinct from how to write. But then the forum description mentions the 'creation' of content, for which many methods can be employed of which writing is only one.
| 9:54 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Interesting. There ought to be three boards: one for issues on prose, grammar, etc., one for copyright, and one for copywriting.
But it seems this board is mostly about copyright issues.
With the (possibly incorrect) feeling that Harry's post was inspired by my question about getting pictures...
In my case, I already know how to write. (I am writing my own movie reviews for my web site.) And I don't want to learn "tricks" to get content on my site.
But it seems it would be better to have movie posters or movie stills next to my reviews. I'm trying to find out how and where these are legally obtained. (Sorry, but I'm young and new to all this.)
| 10:26 pm on Aug 8, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I must admit to having been harbouring the growing feeling that, in the short time I've been frequenting these boards, more and more people seek shortcuts to search engine - and thus commercial/'adsense' - success without actually providing any content of value to the person that takes the time to visit their site.
That, I guess, merely reflects the commercial climate today - it's there to be done. People are only looking to utilise and maximise the business opportunities presented before them.
At times I feel that for too many webmasters 'content' per-se is almost an afterthought to the question, "Why should I build a site?"
Just my ha'penny's worth.
| 5:47 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>> There ought to be three boards: one for issues on prose, grammar, etc., one for copyright, and one for copywriting.
With the "copywriting" forum having a sticky note in large bold that reads: "In regard to copyrights, there is no such thing as 'copywriting'. A copyright is an inherent right in most of the world. Please visit the copyright forum if you entered this one in error." ;)
| 7:24 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Maybe it would help to split the word into 'copy writing' as in 'writing copy'. -Larry
| 7:39 am on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I don't think it's a quality issue. Even though I wasn't around when WebmasterWorld started, its pretty easy to see that many of the original members were professionals in their field, and that professionalism carried into the forums. I'd be willing to wager that the number of non-professionals has increased exponentially. Additionally, WebmasterWorld has become more diverse, including forums as needed to meet the growing demands. Couple all of that with increased indexing and you arrive at todays membership. I got here because I knew nothing about CSS, and a search turned up a valuable link. I also arrived as a former professional, serving my time as a corporate programmer.
Now, more than ever, it is possible to find a link to WebmasterWorld for just about any aspect of a website. And, true to form, the new visitor will find a friendly and helpful environment. The difference then, must be that the person looking for help with PHP or CSS has no intention or idea about creative writing or marketing. For the savvy newcomer, it quickly becomes obvious that there is more to the web site than an initial inquiry might indicate. They are the people who will read, ask, assist, and succeed.
| 1:31 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I agree and would welcome some discussion on creating words for the web that actually add something to the sum total of how useful the www is to everybody that uses it.
I am in the prosess of writing my first content driven website, though my ecommerce and tiny 'exhibition' websites also have a lot of words, because that's the element of making websites that I enjoy the most. I will want to make money, but I also want it to be good its just a pride thing I guess.
I'd be happy to suggest some discussion topics for a new post but maybe Harry would like to suggest one first as the person who opened this post.
(One that immediately occurs to me as I write this is that I don't whether Harry is a boy or girl, which just gave me a tricky little sentence construction, anyone have any tips or tricks for writing genderless web copy?)
Perhaps we could mark out posts ourselves by prefacing the title with the word 'writing'
The quality of webmasterworld is up to us, - she said in a school speech kind of a way - so lets make it better.
| 2:06 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
We have had some good threads about writing, but it seems that more people experience content theft or are looking for cheap content providers than are concerned about the art of creating excellent content.
That's probably an indication of the trend of the web lately - from scraper sites to cheesy topical sites hoping for an Adsense bonanza, the emphasis seems to be on quantity, not quality, of content.
That isn't universally true, of course, and it needn't be the case here, either. If you've got a topic you'd like to address, start a thread. We've had interesting conversations on writers block, crafting calls to action, and engaging ad copy... start a new conversation on one of these, or come up with your own unique topic. I suspect that most of us here would rather talk about writing than the same ol' legal stuff... :)
| 2:55 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
One word, two syllables.
It has made content profitable again so it's going to attract the kind of people who don't care about quality a tenth as much as making a quick buck. Before Adsense they were concentrated in affiliate programs.
| 3:35 pm on Aug 9, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I tried to find ways to add "good content" automatically. But thankfully the SEs have denied me (well i can get pages to rank, but really no one wants to read them). This means that I can get onto making quality content again without guilt.
In fact, loading a few sites that should be coming out of sandbox into Mambo and hope to be writing again soon.
OK I will use outsourced content writers as well but only for support pages
| 8:27 pm on Aug 16, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My position on writing and this board is not that it should be the exclusive topic, but gees, all the good stuff we used to have with the provoking debates on expert #1's writing vs expert #2 are sorely missed.
I don't see writing contents as an end to itself. For me writing is integrated within the very scheme of the Net. The other day, I got a spam from alink farm telling me about their quality contents which were words lifted from hundreds of sites to make it very optimized for Adsense, but illegible for a human.
And this is what passes for contents these day. So sure, I will suggest a couple of good topics.