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Mozilla vs. Opera for Linux
What are you using and why?
luma




msg:911398
 9:46 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

A couple of days ago, I was reading the Mozilla vs. Opera [webmasterworld.com] thread. I noticed some people using Opera for Windows but Mozilla for Linux. Why is that? Opera for Linux is as least as good as Opera for Windows. Okay, it's lacking a newsreader and email client but Opera for Windows' newsreader is crap and there are lots of good real newsreader and email clients available on Linux, e.g., Pan for News und Sylpheed for Mail. So way are you using Opera for Windows but Mozilla for Linux?

BTW, Opera 6.1 final for Linux, FreeBSD and PowerPC is available for download [opera.com]. Go get it!

 

martin




msg:911399
 9:58 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I noticed some people using Opera for Windows but Mozilla for Linux. Why is that?

Opera's Linux version lags behind the Windows one, with Mozilla it's not like that. Besides because Mozilla is Open-Source people can choose between different Mozilla based browsers like Galeon, SKipStone (and probably others) - I haven't heard of such for Windows.

luma




msg:911400
 11:15 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Opera's Linux version lags behind the Windows one

Right now that's not true. Opera 6.10 for Linux is ahead of Opera 6.05 for Windows. And not ony by version numbers but also by features.

But you're right, Opera 7 for Windows will be available soon. I don't expect Opera 7 for Linux any time soon.

dingman




msg:911401
 1:21 pm on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

people can choose between different Mozilla based browsers like Galeon, SKipStone (and probably others) - I haven't heard of such for Windows.

I'm a big Gecko fan, though my only real gripe with Opera is that I want all my software to be Free. I've looked around for decent Mozilla derivatives for Windows (have to use it at work), and basically found that K-meleon seems to have been abandoned, leaving a choice of Mozilla itself or Phoenix. (Or NN7, but why would you use that when you can use Moz?) Phoenix is nice and all, but not a real significant improvement over Mozilla from my point of view. If I weren't attached to the idea of using Free software as much as possible even when stuck in Windows, I'd probably give up and use Opera, because I think it has a better user interface than Mozilla's.

On the other hand, with Linux I have access to those same Mozilla derivatives plus a couple. I think Galeon has an interface that is sufficiently improved over Mozilla and Opera both that it's my clear favorite, regardless of licensing preference. In my case that results in a choice of Mozilla under Windows and a Mozilla-derivative under Linux. (I have Opera installed on both my home machine and my work machine, of course, to test pages in. It's just not my general-use browser.)

Son_House




msg:911402
 12:02 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

While Opera is a great browser, one of the reasons I chose to use Mozilla as my main browser is because it is free and does not have advertising on it.

littleman




msg:911403
 6:21 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Honestly, I am not a big fan of Opera-for-Linux, it has seemed slow to me. I try not to say much negative about Opera because I really do like the windows version. The Linux version is relatively light, but still renders comparably slow when I compare it to Gecko based browsers.

Maybe it is because it is based on QT.

martin




msg:911404
 7:35 am on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Littleman, it's funny but I get exactly the opposite. Opera renders pages smoothly and Gecko based browsers have glitches when you scroll and pages sometimes show at large chunks (eg. half a page then the other half). Is there any chance I've got something misconfigured?

>Opera 6.10 for Linux is ahead of Opera 6.05 for Windows. And not ony by version numbers but also by features.

As far as I remember the Linux version of Opera got mouse gestures in 6.0 TP1 or TP2 about 6 months later than 5.12 for Windows.

cminblues




msg:911405
 1:21 pm on Nov 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

I also use Opera for linux.
The main reason is that I want to manage a big number of maximized open windows
[at this moment I have 91 opened.. most little linux-*nix docs, code snippet etc, on a celeron 600, 192 MB ram],
and switch quickly using keyboard.
Another reason for me is being Opera also very efficiently keyboard-vs-mouse oriented.
But I really suffer too for having nothing to recompile..
Done some little customization very hardly modifying the binaries.

cminblues

NGene




msg:911406
 11:55 am on Nov 2, 2002 (gmt 0)


Littleman, it's funny but I get exactly the opposite. Opera renders pages smoothly and Gecko based browsers have glitches when you scroll and pages sometimes show at large chunks (eg. half a page then the other half). Is there any chance I've got something misconfigured?

I've noticed *exactly* the same thing. Opera is my favorite browser mainly because it renders the pages fast and smoothly. I don't think it actually renders the pages much faster than the other browsers but it just renders the pages in a way that makes it seem fast. All the other browsers feel slow and sluggish compared to Opera.

However, I like Mozilla and the Gecko rendering engine because of its standards-compliance. If all browsers were like that, the web would be a better place. If it only rendered the pages a bit more smoothly...

Although Opera is my favorite browser, I've recently started using Galeon and I must say, it simply rocks. Because it's based on Gecko, its page rendering has the same pros and cons as Mozilla, but I like galeon's philosophy: "the web, only the web." Galeon provides only the web browser, not the kitchen sink like Mozilla does. And I don't want the kitchen sink or other bloat, just the goddamn browser!

IMHO concentrating on only being a good browser is Galeon's strength. It's simple, straightforward and easy to use and configure, and it gets the job done. I noticed it has all the features I like in Opera (like tabbed browsing and the ability to save session on exit or recover it after a crash), plus a few unique ones too, and it misses all the features I don't need. Right now Galeon feels a bit unfinished and buggy, but I like it! Who knows, it may become my favorite soon.

Anyone else used Galeon? What do you think about it?

martin




msg:911407
 12:07 pm on Nov 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

I prefer Galeon on Linux (and I regret they don't have a Windows version). It just feels better than Mozilla and is more flexible for browsing/has more options.

The only features Mozilla/Galeon have and Opera doesn't is HTTP basic auth save and the better cookie management (which is missing for an unknown reason from the Windows version of Opera).

dingman




msg:911408
 10:36 pm on Nov 2, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anyone else used Galeon? What do you think about it?

Use it and love it. My only complaints are the few pop-up screens that are blatantly unaltered Mozilla - the one that comes to mind is the one about SSL certificate problems, and there are one or two others like it. It's jarring and obnoxious to have a window in your default Mozilla skin suddenly pop up as part of your Galeon browser session, since Galeon actually fits into the look and feel of your Gnome desktop and Moz doesn't. They also always come up full-screen for me. I'm not a fan of little pop-up transients with practically no cotent filling my whole screen.

However, that's everything I can think of that's wrong with Galeon, and I'm sure they'll go away eventually. There are fewer such windows now than there were when I first started using it.

scotty




msg:911409
 2:12 pm on Nov 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

dingman writes...
>> K-meleon seems to have been abandoned

Actually, the latest version of K-meleon (0.7) just came out end of October 2002, and it is based on the core of Mozilla 1.2beta. Therefore on Windows we now have Mozilla, Pheonix and K-meleon. I've not yet tried the new version, but the old one feels quite fast when I tried a year ago.

dingman




msg:911410
 3:28 pm on Nov 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

hmm... wonder what I was looking at that hadn't had an update, news item, or any such sign of activity for several months. Thanks for correcting me. I might just have to install K-melon when I get to work today.

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