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Casino Hotel Rooms and Linux Marketing
Is this essentially the same approach?
cyril kearney




msg:909280
 6:10 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I once got an offer from a casino. They would give me a "free" room in their hotel in exchange for me buying 2500 dollars in chips. At then end of my stay I could cash them all in (or as many as I had left or more if I got lucky).

Now it struck me that I was not really getting anything for free, but what was happening was that I was being asked to commit to the first couple of steps of someone’s marketing plan.

The casino was not being altruistic and intended to make a profit off that free room. I, along with others were being courted with the free room. Nothing wrong with it. They were very upfront about it. The casino was just a vendor using the free room to get me within arms reach so that he could make a profit.

It seems to me that Linux and the Open Source community has much the same business model as the casino operator. At heart they are as capitalistic as Bill Gates and motivated to making a profit the same way as Microsoft. They hawk something free but in the end they make a profit.

Here is the url of a different view than mine.
[builder.com.com...]

Perhaps others will care to comment.

 

NFFC




msg:909281
 6:31 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Now it struck me that I was not really getting anything for free

Nothing gets by you cyril :)

Linux, you get the whole hotel for free not just a room. Now, if you won't take the time to work out how the lifts work you can always pay someone to do it for you.

We are a micro-company, 10 PC's in total, who have just switched to an OS independant approuch. We have a combination of Windows, Macs and Linux all living happily together. My best guess is that we will save in excess of £30,000 in the next tweleve months on software costs compared with a 100% Windows solution.

The catch? Still trying to find one with Linux.

mivox




msg:909282
 6:39 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

The catch with Linux is having to figure out how the lifts work. Once you've done that, I think you're OK.

With the casino, the catch is to take the chips, lock them up, and don't spend any money. Then you can cash them in when you leave and actually say you got the room free... Even if you spent the weekend sitting in bed, starving. ;)

littleman




msg:909283
 10:49 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

>The catch with Linux is having to figure out how the lifts work.
Anyone savvy enough to post here at WebmasterWorld would get along fine in a modern distribution. Mivox, just give it a try before you make up your mind, 99% of the apps I use every day are simple enough for my mother to use.

cyril kearney, this is bordering on flame bait. What is the point?

mivox




msg:909284
 10:54 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh, I wasn't trying to imply figuring out the lifts was a BAD thing at all! I'm installing OSX on a new external HD tonight, and will hopefully soon be getting a copy of linuxppc to play with as well...

I won't host my websites on anything else, and think it's time to figure out the lifts for myself. ;)

I'm all in favor of linux. I was actually trying to imply that linux was a better deal than the casino room... didn't express myself clearly enough, apparently.

john316




msg:909285
 11:13 pm on Mar 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Casino Hotel Rooms--gamble with your chips or keep them, your CHOICE.

Prison Cells--We got ya bucco and it ain't easy getting out of here.

bird




msg:909286
 3:23 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

time to figure out the lifts for myself.

I'll give you a head start: The triangular button with the flat bottom makes it go up... ;)

cyril kearney




msg:909287
 4:02 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

littleman, I believe that I made a valid point. People are profiting by something they choose to call "free".

To balance my opinion I posted the url to an article that explained an opposing opinion.

I don't feel that I baited anyone. You seem to be convinced that free is free. I have the point of view that if people are making money off it, then there is a cost involved. I think that is difference is a valid discussion point.

If I had substituted Microsoft's free IE Browser for Linux in my example would my point be more valid?

chiyo




msg:909288
 4:30 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

But has Open Source really sold itself as "free"? Its Open Source - meaning you and everybody else gets access to the source and wont be sued if you develop applications based on it as long as you dont "sell" it, and can build on it from there and the work of others.

That comes at a price of course - labour etc., - community rather than commercial support etc., and i dont think the Open Source community has sold it as "free" in financial terms but "free" in the ability to use and improve it. Microsoft likes to call it "free" as that suggests it is a worthless.. "give-away" - and all the "image" that suggests.

I dont think Cyril is flaming. Just as usual forwarding a different view which challenges us to think..

littleman




msg:909289
 5:56 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

cyril:
Have you ever bought bottled water?
Just because you could get something for free doesn't mean that someone else won't spend some money to get the same thing as a matter of convenience.

You want Linux for free go here [debian.org], or here [linux-mandrake.com], or a dozen other places.

If you want somebody to hold your hand and are willing to spend the cash go here [redhat.com]

You want cheap and easy to use cds of downloaded linux distros go here [cheapbytes.com].

You could even check out Linux cds from some public libraries.

Unfortunately I think a lot of companies that are packaging open course software will continue to go out of business, because of the nature of the model.

littleman




msg:909290
 6:07 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

Chiyo, you have some good points there, but there really is a lot of good free tech support out there if you go looking for it. I leaned more about Linux in one year than I did in three years of using windows.

chiyo




msg:909291
 7:54 am on Mar 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

agreed littleman. Also if you can see what is going on in the box, you have more control over it and are not dependent on others who will charge a premium, because they have a priviledged insider position (eg MS) With Open Source we have the option of learning ourselves at a cost, or pay others to help us up to any level we want. You cant do that with proprietary systems.

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