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Installation of Linux
From existing windows box
ukgimp




msg:913053
 1:42 pm on Apr 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not fussed about windows dual boot, but I am looking for a recommndation for an install of linux. I want it to have apache.

Any suggestions for am insatll that can be downloaded on my windoze machine and burned to a bootable cd.

Cheers

 

bcolflesh




msg:913054
 1:44 pm on Apr 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

[knopper.net...]

Nick_W




msg:913055
 2:46 pm on Apr 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you think Linux is cool, this'll blow you away: A system compiled specifically for your hardware: [gentoo.org...]

What real Linux users like to run ;)

Nick

idoc




msg:913056
 5:01 am on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you are new to linux... I thing the redhat is the way to go. There are fast mirrors everywhere. [redhat.com...] I know the 9.0 version is a little dated, but you can very easily update everything to keep it secure with rpm's. If you are new, this is the way to go rather than trying to compile and install your own apache updates. The rpm's are no harder than installing windows hotfixes. Just get 9.0 and update the kernel, apache, sendmail or postfix etc. as needed and you will be set. Also, the security releases for this is close to M$ except they aren't nearly as frequent or urgent. I wouldn't use anything else 'cept maybe freebsd. ;)

Nick_W




msg:913057
 8:41 am on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you're doing redhat, then it's Fedora [fedora.redhat.com] you need, not version 9 ;)

As for the difficultiy of compiling, it's not tough. To fully update my system all I do is this:

# emerge -u system
# emerge -u world

Ivana (my wife) runs Fedora, and I can tell you that our rigs are very similar but mine is at least 40% faster!

Nick

ukgimp




msg:913058
 10:29 am on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Nick

I am sure Ivana will tell you that speed is not everything :)

Nick_W




msg:913059
 10:53 am on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

HEHEHE, yep!

If u do decide on Gentoo, i can help you install via ssh if you like, but if you go with Fedora (or Debian is a nice distro) they are VERY easy, and you shouldnt have any difficulties...

Good luck!

Nick

idoc




msg:913060
 1:02 pm on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is anybody using fedora on a production server, if so why is it better than redhat 9.0? Other than 9.0 being replaced, is there anything really wrong with it? Currently, using 9.0 for apache, mail and mysql... I haven't seen the reason to leave the proven product yet. Since I am using 9.0 now, I would appreciate the thoughts. Maybe I might look at Fedora1. :)

SeanW




msg:913061
 5:30 pm on May 1, 2004 (gmt 0)


Is anybody using fedora on a production server, if so why is it better than redhat 9.0?

Using it on several production servers. I wouldn't call it -better- than RH9, it's just the latest version with support. You can get patches for RH9 from fedoralegacy.org if you want. Given there is little difference under the hood between RH9 and FC1, you may as well choose the latest.

Sean

seanpecor




msg:913062
 1:20 pm on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I second Nick's recommendation! I use Gentoo on my main workstation and I love it. If you run into problems with Gentoo, a vibrant support community is available at [forums.gentoo.org...] that can answer virtually any question or solve virtually any problem you encounter.

If you want to use Linux while not becoming a Linux Guru then I would recommend a consumer-oriented flavor. I wouldn't however recommend anything from Redhat, simply because they prefer the Gnome desktop interface and provide only basic support for the KDE interface. Both desktop interfaces are good - but you may find KDE more suitable (most do) and Redhat won't make it easy for you to run KDE.

Two years ago I wouldn't DREAM of saying this, but I now heartily recommend Lindows - now called Linspire - [linspire.com...] as the desktop of choice for new Linux converts. Linspire sands the sharp edges off Linux so you don't bleed too much while you're screaming along on the bleeding edge :)

Lastly, if you're just interested in running Apache on your own machine, then you can do so with any flavor of Windows. One package that comes to mind is the free download available from [nusphere.com...] - if memory serves it's available at Products -> Downloads. You may have to register first. Once there, select their Free Technology Platform. It will install Mysql, Apache and PHP on your Windows box. From there you can write and test PHP applications or just test your html.

Another alternative that I would recommend is to buy a low-end Linux mid-tower PC that would run 24/7 in your office. This would be the most attractive route because if your web server is Linux, you won't risk borking your production web site ("sheesh, it works fine on windows apache but blows up my linux web site") Just attach it to the network. If you're comfortable with SSH, you don't even have to hook up a keyboard/video/monitor to it. If you don't know what SSH, well, you can buy a cheap KVM switch and switch between your Linux and Windows box as needed.

Sean.

ukgimp




msg:913063
 1:48 pm on May 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is all great. Cheers

However, I just want to be able to download a file, burn it on my pc and change to boot sequence of the practice machine and a certain amount of time later have a fully working incarnation of apache. Is there such a beast :) Please

Cheers

Nick_W




msg:913064
 7:11 am on May 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not sure I understand the requirements, perhaps you could explain in simple terms? ;)

FWIW, Debian sounds right for you i think.

Nick

Marcia




msg:913065
 8:53 am on May 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>just want to be able to download a file, burn it on my pc and change to boot sequence of the practice machine and a certain amount of time later have a fully working incarnation of apache. Is there such a beast

When you want a fully working apache you can always buy a disk with Red Hat, Apache and a full boatload of software included.

Meantime, to fool with Linux a little for practice you can download, burn a disk and boot right from disk without having to install at all

[damnsmalllinux.org...]

I haven't installed yet because I have to buy and switch to a new computer altogether, but I bought Red Hat with Apache and all for about $40. And a PHP/Linux/Apache book I paid about half that for has a disk with an older version of Linux and Apache included.

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