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Yahoo switching to Alltheweb on feb 7?
Yahoo makes ATW change privacy policy
claus




msg:222105
 8:24 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

So... Alltheweb and Yahoo? I just read the fine print bottommost on Alltheweb.com

AlltheWeb's Privacy Policy will be updated as of February 7, 2004. View the Revised Policy [alltheweb.com].

This section is not in their current Privacy Policy:
We work with Yahoo! to research certain usage and activities on its and our website. Yahoo! uses web beacons to conduct this research. The information collected through these web beacons is used to find out more about our users, for more accurate reporting, and to improve the effectiveness of our marketing. Information recorded through the use of these web beacons is aggregated and then shared with us. No personally identifiable information about you is shared by Yahoo! with us as a result of this research. If you prefer that Yahoo! not use information collected by these web beacons on our website, please visit Yahoo! [privacy.yahoo.com...] in order to opt out.

AFAIK, the current speculation is that they will switch to inktomi, isn't it?

Of course this can also just be taken literally - ATW will still be standalone, only they will now use webbugs for measurement and you must go to Yahoo to opt out...Any thoughts?

 

heini




msg:222106
 10:01 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good find Claus.
To me this means just one thing: ATW is not going to get shut down in the next couple months.
Yahoo obviously plans to let the site online - with what engine under the hood we don't know.

I don't see though how this could be any indication for a use of the ATW index on the Yahoo sites.

claus




msg:222107
 10:49 pm on Jan 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> don't see though how this could be any indication for a use of the ATW index on the Yahoo sites

Nah, you're right, it's probably just wild speculation on my account - it just occured to me that if i wanted to replace Google with anything ATW would be it... Nevermind, i'll just forget about it - i saw a Yahoo quote to the press in another thread stating that it will soon be INK all over the Yahoo network.

Where that leaves ATW i don't know but it's a mighty fine SE, imho, so i hope it will still be around for those questions that Google can't give me answers to (it has consistently solved such problems in the past).

rfgdxm1




msg:222108
 4:10 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Where that leaves ATW i don't know but it's a mighty fine SE, imho, so i hope it will still be around for those questions that Google can't give me answers to (it has consistently solved such problems in the past).

My best guess is Yahoo bought Ink, Alltheweb and Altavista more for the programming know-how. Thus, while Yahoo may use Ink, the new Inktomi will be using algos which are partially developed by ATW and Alltheweb programmers. Altavista still has some brand value, and for that reason they may not want to kill it. However, I can see Ink and ATW merged into one.

BobHighland




msg:222109
 5:13 am on Feb 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

My best guess is Yahoo bought Ink, Alltheweb and Altavista more for the programming know-how.

And/Or so no other company(like Microsoft) could have them.

Robert Charlton




msg:222110
 6:02 am on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, it's Feb 7... about 10PM PST, and, for the record, whatever is on Yahoo right now is definitely not the current Google www results, not AllTheWeb, not AltaVista, and not Inktomi.

PS... Just figured it out. What I'm seeing right now is pre-Florida Google results.

PatrickDeese




msg:222111
 6:19 am on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

> Just figured it out. What I'm seeing right now is pre-Florida Google results.

I am getting "same old, same old" for Y! SERPs that I monitor for fun & profit.

martinibuster




msg:222112
 6:36 am on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Claus, that disclaimer has been in AV for a long time. The reason for that is because Yahoo shares cookies between it's web properties.

So, ATW adding that in there only means that the Yahoo cookie sharing relationship will be extended to ATW. I wouldn't read too much into that.

Robert Charlton




msg:222113
 7:33 am on Feb 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

...pre-Florida Google results...

Well, not exactly... but Google results very much skewed in that direction, with results for the sites I monitor essentially where they were at the end of October. It's as though it's the old algo on current pages.

steveb




msg:222114
 10:03 pm on Feb 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Check to see if the top ten results you are seeing are all in the Yahoo directory.

Robert Charlton




msg:222115
 2:43 am on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

Check to see if the top ten results you are seeing are all in the Yahoo directory.

Yahoo directory listing definitely has nothing to do with it. In the Supporters Forum, there's a thread about the "new Inktomi." Same results I was seeing... apparently I had a cookie, though. Supporters Forum discussed a modification to the search thread to let you see these results.

caveman




msg:222116
 7:40 pm on Feb 13, 2004 (gmt 0)

If I were Y!, I might keep ATW going as a site/brand, retain those Ov ads up top of course, and then add INK into the SERP's in some fashion. Another way to monetize INK.

CurtMonash




msg:222117
 7:49 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've forgotten the exact sequence of who bought what when, but at least one of Altavista and ATW came into Yahoo's possession as a byproduct of their buying Overture.

It doesn't seem likely that they bought ALL of Inktomi, Altavista, and ATW simply because they liked collecting search engine companies.

Marcia




msg:222118
 7:58 am on Feb 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

>exact sequence

Curt, they got those both at the same time with the Overture acquisition, but timewise I believe that came after the Inktomi acquisiton, though I don't recall how long the time span was.

>It doesn't seem likely that they bought ALL of Inktomi, Altavista, and ATW simply because they liked collecting search engine companies.

AV and ATW both have some outstanding search features and capabilities, it would be a shame to waste those.

What I'm wondering about is that the L.A. Times quoted Terry Semel in an article several weeks ago as saying that Yahoo was leaning toward an emphasis on local search - whether ATW can possibly figure into that in some way since they have a different audience and reach than Yahoo does here in the US. We generally don't see traffic from them here, but people in other areas do report seeing some.

dauction




msg:222119
 8:34 pm on Feb 25, 2004 (gmt 0)


Started seeing it today...
Agent: Yahoo-VerticalCrawler-FormerWebCrawler/3.9 crawler at trd dot overture dot com; [alltheweb.com...]

Essex_boy




msg:222120
 12:10 pm on Feb 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Local search. Defeats the object of web really.

If I want local I search with the area im after in the term. Is this just another 'in' thing or does it have its uses?

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