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Massive alltheweb update
indigojo




msg:225328
 12:41 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Huge update on alltheweb for some searches I've been watching for a year or so

Also I dont know whether this is new but you can pull the first 4000 SERP's from them as oppposed to the 1st 1000 on Google.

 

mat




msg:225329
 6:43 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

An update or a roll-back, I can't tell. The results are certainly very different to what they were a couple of days ago - I like them more, ahem - but they do remind me of how things looked a month or so ago.

Do you see new sites, or just different rankings?

indigojo




msg:225330
 6:58 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I see new fresh pages and lots of them

Nick_W




msg:225331
 7:01 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Absolutely. Looks fairly good to me though I'm not an ATW expert by any means...

Nick

mack




msg:225332
 7:01 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

perhaps timed well concidering what is happeneing just now at G.

Mack.

Dayo_UK




msg:225333
 7:32 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yes, I am seeing updated pages....

Almost exactly a month since last update :)

percentages




msg:225334
 8:35 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

These are great SERPs. ATW has got it together on the technology side, now all they need to do is get some traffic!

Comparison search I perfomred - someone looking to buy "widgets" in Google gets 8 out of the first 50 results as relevant......in ATW all 50 are relevant. The difference is primarily related to the way ATW is handling the <title> tag, page content and then the backlinks/anchor text.

Google's application of Anchor Text, PR, Title Tag and then page content is putting it way behind.

Google has become totally paranoid about manipulation and thus has deployed an algo that attemps to combat manipulation but only succeeds to throw out good results.

Spend some marketing $$$ ATW, you need to get people to see these results.

xcandyman




msg:225335
 9:32 am on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Alltheweb has indexed all new sites I've done recently, Spidered all pages as well :) Im getting to really like ATW.

I seem to be searching there as a "user" not a "SEO" more and more every day.

Steve

wackmaster




msg:225336
 1:21 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Just to offer another view, I've been a big fan of ATW for quite a while now, and feel their SERP's have been steadily gaining on Google.

But the SERP's have been changing quite a bit from day to day for the past three or four days now, and for the most part, in our categories, the results contain more spammy sites and more obscure sites for broad search terms. In other words, the results seem worse. But they keep changing...so just like Google, we're staring to adapt a wait and see attitude.

We're wondering if they are not going thru some big changes also, since the results keep bouncing around so much. Big changes might make sense, given their recent corporate history.

Anyone got some loose change laying around? I'm thinking it's time that all of here at WW pool our resources and start our own SE. I'm sure we could do better ;-)

WibbleWobble




msg:225337
 2:59 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

wackmaster: ATW does refresh certain areas of its index every 24-48 hours, perhaps you come under this umbrella? (I'd have thought however, that this was in reference to the news index, but perhaps not).

At the moment I find myself checking ATW against google, partly for the SEO reasons and to see who indexes better or quicker, and partly because I like the interface and results. Its nice.

I'm under the impression that ATW is reasonably well-used in europe, is this the case, or have I got memories and wishes mixed up again? ;)

DavidT




msg:225338
 3:03 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

How about the ODP and Alltheweb?

My site has been listed in dmoz since February, Alltheweb seems to know nothing about this.

steveb




msg:225339
 10:26 pm on Jun 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

All the Web results are heavily weighted to ODP these days.

Their results are way better than earlier this year, but man o man, can the PLEASE figure out the subdomain spam thing? Jeez, first thirty results for multi-word search temrm are all the same domain like spam.domain.com spam1.domain.com spam2.domain.com. Sheesh.

DavidT




msg:225340
 12:51 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

[All the Web results are heavily weighted to ODP these days.]

I don't see how this can be true if they don't even spider the OPP. I have been editing a small corner of the ODP since January and have made a lot of changes. Again, as above, Alltheweb has no clue about this.

steveb




msg:225341
 7:01 am on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

"I don't see how this can be true if they don't even spider the OPP."

Of course they spider the ODP. They might miss pages but search for text on pages that have been around awhile and they show up (as do dirt.dmoz.org directory.mozilla.org...)

mil2k




msg:225342
 12:47 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I am an occasional ATW user but i like the new serps. maybe because my sites are on the top ;)

dvduval




msg:225343
 12:50 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Allthe web is my current favorite for searching the web. It's also really good about displaying ALL if the backlinks. The clustering at the bottom is a nice feature as well. Alltheweb seems consistently fresher than Google over the last 2-3 months.

trillianjedi




msg:225344
 12:53 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Spend some marketing $$$ ATW, you need to get people to see these results.

I agree, I really wish they would.

They have an excellent product which is going to get buried if they do nothing with it. That would be a great shame.

How do we spread the word?

TJ

Monkscuba




msg:225345
 12:58 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

"Spend some marketing $$$ ATW, you need to get people to see these results."

Just checked our SERP's. Holy cow. We rank top 2 or 3 for just about any major keyphrase. Wish Google was like this. Hey, ATW, do some advertising NOW!

Alternative Future




msg:225346
 1:06 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Spend some marketing $$$ ATW, you need to get people to see these results.

I agree on this also. Along with some marketing in the UK.

-gs

heini




msg:225347
 1:14 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I guess W-O-M will be the only possible strategy.
When ATW was a Fast property the Fast people tried to pitch to their customers, portals worldwide, by stressing they would never compete with their customers, other than Google.

OV very likely will go the exact same route. They have bought ATW because they did not want to happen a second AOL on them. So they decided they needed to be able to offer the full package to their customers, PPC plus first class websearch.

So sad as it may be I don't really expect OV to try and push ATW as a search destination to the masses.

martinibuster




msg:225348
 1:56 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't really expect OV to try and push ATW as a search destination to the masses.

I asked Overture's technology officer about that last month. He said that they were going to be trying new things/experiments over the coming months, but that they were not going to push it as a destination... He added that if word of mouth grows and people start to come, then that would be great, but it's not what they are actively trying to do.

xcandyman




msg:225349
 2:00 pm on Jun 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

How do we spread the word?

I have a great idea, lets bunch together break into are piggy banks and buy Google adwords for the search term: "search engine"

Bet Google will love that lol

Steve

Rumbas




msg:225350
 6:28 pm on Jun 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Regarding updates, read what that guy Tim is posting in this thread [webmasterworld.com]. He KNOWS.

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