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Fast algo shift?
Namaste




msg:221829
 11:05 am on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

observe how their algo has changed...getting very different results from a month back...looking more like Google

added after edit: I just tried a search (for a service) where I haven't been getting any useful results on Google...and wallah, it's in the top 10 here!

 

kyr01




msg:221830
 12:03 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

observe how their algo has changed...getting very different results from a month back...looking more like Google

I still see a fair amount of spam, door pages and duplicated content. Google really seems to play at a very different level, for now. Besides, how many visitors do you get from ATW every day? Is it worth to optimize for ATW?

Rumbas




msg:221831
 1:20 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

>is it worth it?

Depends on your target. Free search traffic in any shape or form is always nice ;)

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msg:221832
 7:54 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

guys, its all very premature; but ATW is getting it's act together:
1. Merger with a larger company (more money and expertise available)
2. Better look & features
3. New improved algo

sure, it still has to reach the Google benchmark...but till recently we all weren't even making comparisions...

jeremy goodrich




msg:221833
 7:56 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

:) Tons of people were making comparisons with Google before.

Usually, FAST failed - at least for me. Some others have reported that Alltheweb has 'better' results for some longer keyword phrases.

Unfortunately, I've yet to do some searching that yeiled better results from FAST than Google.

As far as an algo shift, could be, but my traffic there hasn't changed...

heini




msg:221834
 8:54 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

Ahh, nonsense! :) The algo at work at ATW is just fine, no problems whatsoever. There are web areas which are just full of low quality sites, and consequently all engines return low quality sites.

ATW has a great algo. I use that engine for two reasons:
- the advanced features and customizability of searching are lightyears ahead of Google
- the results I get are overall on par with Google. They do better serps on some queries, on other Google fares better.

I go there to FIND stuff.

But, of course I can't pass on this opportunity to get to my only real gripe with ATW: do more FULL updates, index more pages! Having the second largest index is not enough!

Least I forget: I fail to see a significant change in the algo. Serps look a little different here and there, but nothing earthshaking from my perspective. Will watch closely though.

steveb




msg:221835
 10:15 pm on Apr 15, 2003 (gmt 0)

As somebody who has complained about the trash results of Fast before, I want to say that what I see today is an enormous improvement over a couple weeks ago. Night and day.

The results still may not be in Google's league but they are now in the league of Ink or even Teoma. Still too much sub-domain spam, but much more relevance in terms of actual usefulness of the sites returned.

Fast has had the problem of not being able to tell the difference between words and content, basically lacking the linking/pagerank/voting concept that Google uses. But whatever they just did, all of a sudden authority and relevance matters!

Major, major positive step.

Namaste




msg:221836
 8:31 pm on Apr 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

While you're at it, check Altavista, results are far more sensible.

I'm posting this here, 'cause now Fast-Overture-Av should be a joint forum

heini




msg:221837
 9:05 pm on Apr 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

>joint forum
well that could be an option at some point. Right now I don't see any indication the two engines have been merged in any way.
I don't see Fast tech or algo at work at Altavista or vice versa.

steveb




msg:221838
 10:02 pm on Apr 16, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree that the AV algo has also improved/changed somewhat recently. It wasn't nearly as bad as Fast's was (IMO) so it wasn't as dramatic an improvement, but it seems to me that both results are definitely better. In AV's case they seem to be more aggressively crawling the web too.

willybfriendly




msg:221839
 12:24 am on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well, there are some major changes in SERPS. I have fallen from grace for ATW, although SERPS have improved in Google and Ink.

Of course, this is the kind of stuff that I am competing with:

<body link="##000000" vlink="##000000" background="../images/bkgrd.gif" scroll=no text="##000000">

(Exact code from page. I'll let folks guess what color the bkgrd.gif is.)

This was followed by about 500 words of spammy text.

ATW has a bit of work to do if they are going to compete I would say.

WBF

mipapage




msg:221840
 10:20 pm on Apr 17, 2003 (gmt 0)

Wow, they sure did something! The results actually put us above a super spammy site that currently beats us in Google - Way to go Alltheweb!

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