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Optimizing for FAST
Do we know anything about the fast algo?
mipapage




msg:222321
 9:32 am on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Is there in fact, a Fast Algo? There must be something, but what I notice is that spam works.

I know that most people are concerned with Google, and rightly so, but what are peoples thoughts on optimizing for fast?

My main site is in the top three for it's search terms, but nowhere to be found in Fast. Instead, all of the spam sites show up...

How about we start a list, similar to what we see in the Google forum?

 

heini




msg:222322
 10:04 am on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

>we start a list

sure, you go first.

Rumbas




msg:222323
 10:25 am on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check this thread:
[webmasterworld.com...]

or giv the site search a try: fast algo [searchengineworld.com] :)

mipapage




msg:222324
 11:45 am on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

heini said: sure, you go first.

Haha, good one. I guess I was fishing a bit, I really don't have anything to offer, but I'm gonna search, summarize, and post. Soon. But I have to finish a clients site today, so soon may be tomorrow.

I was wondering because they must be considered the nest possible competition, no? But for me their serps are horrible, wrt spam etc.

Rumbas - Thanks for the links. I hadn't searched yet, but I'd browsed the forum and not seen anything too concrete. I guess until they bring people traffic they will remain a hobby for us.

Oh well, I'll post a summary when I get something together.
happy coding...

soapystar




msg:222325
 10:20 pm on Apr 14, 2003 (gmt 0)

i couldnt disagree more. When i hit number one for my keywords on google i couldnt understand why i wasnt in the top 100 with fast. Since google is the game these days i stuck with optimising with google in mind. What ive noticed is that fast just seems to take longer to put changes in the strenght in your site into real world results. today im number one with fast too after a steady climb from 100 over about 8 months. I also see none of the spam cheating sites that im up against with google. with google i see that you just need a good linking campaign, whereas with fast youre entire site needs to be right also. thats my observation and i guess youd disagree. but if youre not up for keywords and youre site justifies it, then just give it time.

mipapage




msg:222326
 7:27 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

soapystar,

i guess youd disagree

To what are you referring?

mipapage




msg:222327
 7:31 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Okay,

So they don't send you much traffic now, but one day they might.

It seems that Fast is trying to get in the game with this latest algo shift. Lets try and sort out what works and what doesn't work.

mipapage




msg:222328
 7:42 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

Our site was off the radar in Fast previous to the shift. Now we are in the top three, and the spammers who were number one are in fourth place. From this it seems...

- that either spammers get penalized a bit, or keyword density in the main text of a site just isn't too important. The spammers in 4th have a load of keyword dense stuff in <p> tags, though in the serp text below our site title they do pull in some <p> text from our site.

- that the title tag seems to be important, proximity of keywords and where they are in the title.

- that the meta-description seems to hold a bit of weight too.

- I'm not too sure about the weight of backlinks and inbound link text, as none of us in our sector have too much of either, in terms of backlinks or 'well worded' incoming link text.

IanTurner




msg:222329
 8:31 am on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

The real crux comes down to the number of potential visitors you will get.

Google provides the most traffic and thus gets the most attention. Inktomi is probably next with AltaVista, AJ/Teoma and Fast being the bit part players.

mipapage




msg:222330
 12:17 pm on Apr 18, 2003 (gmt 0)

I agree Ian. But, although I don't have the best idea of where Fast may wind up, if they start providing a search solution that becomes an alternative to google, it would be nice to have things figured out.

Personally, I had been doing well on most engines except Fast, until recently. The new change gets us some results in Fast, but my motivation for trying to figure them out was 'cause we stunk with them!

Yidaki




msg:222331
 1:38 pm on Apr 19, 2003 (gmt 0)

minipage,
following the last days' threads, i'm starting to think that we make quite the same experiences across both engines, google and fast. ;)

To me even after years fast rankings is a myst. However, one observation i made is: if you have a odp listing that uses the searched keyword in the link text *and* the listed url uses the keyword, you can gain "better" positions.

Unfortunately allthough i have such dmoz listings, my sites that are in general #2 to #3 for their main single keyword at google, are somewhere between #40 and #100 at fast! May be fast doesn't "count" my listings link text because it's dotted (thekeyword.mydomain.com).

markusf




msg:222332
 3:39 am on Apr 22, 2003 (gmt 0)

Yidaki wouldn't it be in your best interest to just focus on google, if you can't rank high in google AND fast?

johnny0723




msg:222333
 4:16 am on Apr 27, 2003 (gmt 0)

Fast values proper meta tags (with the title tag weighing the most), page content, and link popularity. I'd say your most important keywords should be used in your title and description, at the very least. If you still are not satisfied, make sure the content of your page contains your desired keywords as well. Oh, don't forget the link popularity...they do take it into consideration.

mipapage




msg:222334
 2:40 pm on May 1, 2003 (gmt 0)

Thanks all for constructive input. I have recently been hit by the Fast Crawler (30th April). I am hoping that changes that I have made will help give me some more clues. I'll share when the new info goes live...

Gonzalez




msg:222335
 9:47 am on May 9, 2003 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Based on my experience when I do a Google optimization (not spam) I also get best results with FAST and Altavista.

Another point: FAST provides results for AWT and at least 20 european engines, so you have to sum their traffic.

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