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New design at ATW
luuna




msg:219667
 10:46 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Check out the new design...

 

hakre




msg:219668
 10:49 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

they removed the font-size-selector. what a pitty ;)

p.s.: i dislike the colors.

mack




msg:219669
 10:51 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

Looks very much like the design of that other SE
:)

Just because G got it right in the first place.

hakre




msg:219670
 10:52 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

yeah a little like. ;) but they got some css/dynamic stuff used there. really something new ;)

jatar_k




msg:219671
 10:56 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

did you read the "that's not all" link?

I like the sound of the "AlltheWeb URL Investigator". Very interesting just started playing with it.

mat_bastian




msg:219672
 11:04 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

very interesting... really liking that functionality. Pretty excited about the new form and function of it all. Step in the right direction. Building on what is good about the "G" interface is what it looks like to me.

hakre




msg:219673
 11:15 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

yeah jatar_k, that's a pick. color skins [alltheweb.com], cool ;). you can even apply your own stylesheet.

the url investigator is a nice and handy tool for alltheweb stats to optimize it. cool.

coconutz




msg:219674
 11:20 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm Feeling Lucky " skin

"I'm Feeling Lucky" keeps the page clean and clear similar to a search engine based in Mountain View, CA. Each catalog highlights a different color theme, making for a friendly searching experience.

heini




msg:219675
 11:23 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

With a direct plug to the wayback machine(!), and a direct plug to Easywhois.

Good thing is the powerful advanced search functionality is left untouched.

Don't like the design though.

robjones




msg:219676
 11:42 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

The new URL Investigator tool is cool, I also think the new design is pretty good.

KevinC




msg:219677
 11:43 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

One of the big pluses with fast is their ability to index all of my dynamic content - that google seems to have a really tough time doing. I like the new features looks like a step in the right direction.

msgraph




msg:219678
 11:50 pm on Mar 3, 2003 (gmt 0)

URL Investigator tool = Take all the Google Spammer Whammers and get them interested in our site.

hakre




msg:219679
 12:22 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

i wonder if this little freshup is also connected to the overture deal [webmasterworld.com]...

heini




msg:219680
 12:28 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Sure is. It's ATW getting into her wedding dress.

As to the whois: it serves as a very good reminder how easy it is for everybody, competitors, customers, searchengines, to relate a site to a person or company.

Interesting is however how ATW has put on a mass compatible interface. While personally I liked the old design better, the Fast crew has constantly blocked every attempt at gettin a mass compatible interface.

Now OV had announced ATW would remain being a testbed, R & D sandbox etc.
This redesign seems to point into a different direction.

hakre




msg:219681
 12:40 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

but maybe it's still for testing. i think providing different color-shemes via css is not that hard to implement, nor link easywhois or the wayback machine. even the (back)link-count, and domain name in other pages search result count isn't something really new - it's all just displayed on one page.

maybe they want to check if they can wave some hype and / or test what a even slimmier se-page can add to overtures portfolio.

EliteWeb




msg:219682
 1:12 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Mac OS / Apple stripeys at the top? ;)

heini




msg:219683
 1:19 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't care for taglines all that much, bit is this find it all new or is it new?

Anyhow, to get acquainted I have just downloaded the 'no skin' skin.

Reno




msg:219684
 1:50 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The new look is fine as far as it goes -- neither better nor worse than Google. But of course people don't use G because it looks cool (it doesn't), but rather because it brings back results that most users find to be useful.

In my opinion, to be a truly major contender ATW will have to make a Herculean effort to index *all* the relevant sites that they come across, whether or not people pay them, and refine their (already pretty good) search technology to bring back results that are even more targeted than Google. Those of you who know this stuff can likely see a scenario where that can happen. I just use their service, but do not work in the field.

Certainly they could have some kind of paid enhancements to make those results stand out -- as an income producing model -- but anything less than a full indexing of the available important information on the WWW will keep them at best a second choice service. Right now, their url submit page is clearly "pay to play", and that won't cut it in the big leagues where most people want specific information, not results based on the $$ paid.

Edwin




msg:219685
 1:52 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Looks like they're going to be using Dmoz.org as well. At least, I did a search on my site's URL using the new research tool and I was presented with a "Topics" section down the foot of the results page that showed the same sub-category that my site is listed in on Dmoz.

However, right now, the category is empty.

hakre




msg:219686
 1:53 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

reno, there is no pay to play at all (wether before nor after the redesign). [alltheweb.com...] will give you the possibility to submit your site for free, you do not even need to put a email into the form.

for me it took 3 days until getting indexed at the end of february.

mahlon




msg:219687
 1:55 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

This is cool, user skins are next I'm sure.

JeremyL




msg:219688
 2:11 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Good: AlltheWeb URL Investigator rocks

Bad: New fonts suck and they took away my ability to change thier size SIGH!

Sneaky: Overture results look EXACTLY like the normal results except the really small print beside the listing. I thought the ftc was getting SE's to move away from tricking users?

Are some of the Advanced search options different? Like...


Media Types - Find results that contain the following media types:
Include - Exclude
Images
Audio (midi, wav, au)
Video (mov, qt, avi)
RealVideo & RealAudio

Include - Exclude
Macromedia Flash
Java applets
JavaScript
VBScript

[edited by: JeremyL at 2:35 am (utc) on Mar. 4, 2003]

Jon_King




msg:219689
 2:21 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Well presented and easy to read by my way of thinking. I also found the results on a few test terms very 'good'- or at least what I expected.

steveb




msg:219690
 3:02 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

Overture text sure is a lot bigger!

steveb




msg:219691
 3:10 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

The Topics link is sort of dmoz but not really. Very out of date for one thing, and also not complete. Naturally my site isn't listed as being in the "topic" that I've been listed in dmoz for years. I hope the reason is not once again because I was stupid enough to pfi with lycos.

jimsthoughts




msg:219692
 3:18 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

At first glance it looks really cool...the I do some searches and I sigh, then I go back to G.

keeper




msg:219693
 3:23 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I love ATW's skins but, ahem, isn't "I'm Feeling Lucky" trademarked by Google? Poor taste I think creating a Google skin.

hakre




msg:219694
 3:24 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

is this new?!:
Copyright Fast Search & Transfer ASA

sparrow




msg:219695
 3:44 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

I don't know about any body else, but the info that is contained in the url investigator is OLD, OLD, OLD!

Anybody else see this?

hakre




msg:219696
 3:54 am on Mar 4, 2003 (gmt 0)

hi sparrow, what do you mean the info is
old old old
. you mean this feature isn't new at all?
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