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How Fast ranks results / DMOZ listings
My speculations, observations ...
Yidaki




msg:222265
 8:07 pm on Jan 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

Since more than a year i'm doing great and i'm improving my google positions month by month . However, there still has been no way for me to get a top 90 position at fast for my most important keyword (one single keywords - between #2 and #8 at google depending of google's monthly mood).

After doing a lot of investigations i found one ovious reason:

Sites that contain the keyword in the title of their DMOZ listings are top / above mine. Even totaly unrelated sites .. if the word's in the dmoz title they rank under the top 10!

My site also contains the word in the dmoz title ... BUT since i'm using sub domains for the themeing of my site, my listing 's title is "widgets.anydomain.com" - where widgets is my keyword.

So, i'd say,in this case fast doesnt treat a dot "." as a seperator , or!? Should i think about a dmoz change request?

 

Rumbas




msg:222266
 10:37 pm on Jan 5, 2003 (gmt 0)

I'm not sure I get you here Yadiki. Just to make sure, do you mean the link text in your listing at dmoz? If so, why do think that FAST does not treat dot as a seperator?

A little explanation please :)

Yidaki




msg:222267
 9:12 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

Rumbas, yes i mean the link text in the dmoz listing.

Example:

- Target Keyword is "widgets"
- My linktext is "widgets.mydomain.com"

When i do a search at fast for "widgets", it first returns sites, that are listed at dmoz using " widgets " in their link text. After them - and after some other sites without dmoz listing - it returns my site .. somewhere at result page 9.

I don't say that it's the main factor but it seems to be in fact a important factor at fast to have "thekeyword" in the dmoz link text. And it seems that "thekeyword.anotherword" is not given the same weight as "thekeyword" - without dot.

HuhuFruFru




msg:222268
 9:43 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

i have agree on Yidaki, this could be true.

for example i have a single page listed in dmoz with the title "huhuhu after widgets" (in dmoz and on my page).
when i look for this certain phrase "huhuhu after widgets" in fast, i am the first out of 1,145,567 results. when i look in fast for "after widgets" or "huhuhu widgets" i can't even find my site.
so could be that what you have seen is correct. try to become an editor yidaki :) most of the editors never make changes.

vitaplease




msg:222269
 10:09 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

another thing, Fast shows plenty back-links from DMOZ clones.

so if your anchor text (link text) is good, you tend to do better in Fast than in Google - and then if your prefered search query is in your multi-word url - you have beautiful Fast results. (DMOZ editors tend to take over the url name becuase it mostly equals the site name/title - even if the url/site name is a "descriptive search query").

Does not mean that Fast really fully counts the the multi DMOZ clones in their algo, but in my opinion it gives food to speculation..

Google seems to have weeded the multi DMOZ clone backlinks all out.

Yidaki




msg:222270
 11:02 am on Jan 6, 2003 (gmt 0)

>try to become an editor yidaki ...

'got my own directory ... 'nough to edit! ;)

>DMOZ editors tend to take over the url ...

Yep, even if it's a quite undescriptive sub domain. :(

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