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Best results FAST have produced for long
serp's are looking better than for a long time.

 12:18 pm on Dec 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Just checked around at Alltheweb.com, and i was must say i was very positive about the results that were presented to me, it's certainly the best i've seen, since yes i can't remember.
(I haven't done a complete check-up, just checked multimillion competitive keywords)

There is still the ocational slipups (You will see it with Dynamic/Specific pages under a domain, for competitive keywords)

Also seems like the focus on the domain have gone down which is good in most cases.

There is still some problems with duplicates in the results but hopefully that will be gone soon.

And if you wan't to suggest anything to the FAST team, or you'd like to report spam, then you can do that at:




 4:06 pm on Dec 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Results are great! But the text on the page is so small I can hardly read it.. :(

(Using Macintosh with IE 5)


 4:20 pm on Dec 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Maybe I'm wrong in interpreting how Fast deals with spam, but I haven't heard people reporting that their whole site has been trashed by Fast.

My site is on the first page (in the top three positions) for almost all my important keyword phrases. I have had next to no traffic from Fast or Lycos for a very, very long time. They are doing a great job with their algo, but their marketing needs some help. That is likely why nobody screams when they get booted out.

FAST does in fact demote and/or remove sites from their database if the spam is so flagrant that it is in your face. They respond quickly to spam reports and are fair about it. I don't know if a site can redemm itself or not.

Personal experience!


 4:20 pm on Dec 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

mayor - their spam action is not at all that moderate!

around august this year one of the people i rent space on my servers got clever and ran a couple of well known engine tricks - watching the logs around that same month i saw one day zero FAST referrals, zero lycos, none, zip - the day before we had thousands.

I contacted them immediately and explained how I rent the server space and sites can't be punished like that, and why banning by IP address is not a smart decision - I got a reply in less than 2 hours and the guy mentioned the spam team would look at the IP in question and ban only the offending domain.

less than 2 days later all fair-playing sites were being spidered again and they're slowly (still today!) being reintegrated into the index - which means the sites were not downgraded or disabled but completely WIPED by IP (because his sites aren't linked in ANY way to the other 100% content sites on this IP) - and the offense wasn't the worst i've seen either, basically heavy crosslinking and hidden text.


 6:05 pm on Dec 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

>the text on the page is so small

pssst... look right hand top corner, directly underneath the Fast logo....

That is, if you are looking at ATW, where you of course also can choose whatever interface you like, or simply build your own.

<chanting>atw is just a showcase, atw is just a showcase, atw is just a show-ho-case</chanting>

Look for traffic from one of those:
Fast portal partners [webmasterworld.com]

brotherhood of LAN

 8:31 pm on Dec 19, 2002 (gmt 0)

Any improvement of any search engine is worth seeing :)

I was reading down the thread and have to agree with at least hoping that FAST could provide/is providing comparable results to Google.

And although its been said you don't get any traffic from FAST, if you were to be booted from Google, that small % from Lycos, ATW and anywhere else thats providing similar results will be a considerably higher % of referrals when you remove your Google/Yahoo/AOL % from the equation.

I think most people are sitting at about 75-90% from Google,AOL,Yahoo, so you could see those referrals "jump up" by a factor of 8 or 9, and still be getting relevant traffic ;)

there is the list above


 3:25 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Liane, psoares, thanks for the feedback. I guess the Vikings were kind of a ruthless bunch now that I think about it.

Well, here's my boot score since 1998:

Altavista 1
Alltheweb 0
Ask 0
Google 2
Inktomi 3

So I guess Fast isn't the biggest bully on the block anyway.


 5:06 pm on Dec 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have to tell you, I have a new respect for FAST. I sent an email via the suggestion box informing them of the tiny text issue.

I received an email from them this morning asking if I could send screenshots so they could fix the problem.

When was the last time Google answered one of your emails?

It's official. I have a new preferred search engine.


 3:53 am on Dec 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Here is to FAST's accuracy:

Search phrase: websites for sale

Results: America for Sale, Corpses for Sale, Cars for Sale, Homes for Sale, Boats for Sale but not a single Websites for Sale


 4:29 am on Dec 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmmm, maybe if you had taken the 0.003 seconds to click on the "exact phrase" button, your search would not have been rewritten into only "for sale"

Using the exact phrase feature gave me these results, not including the sponsored ads:

<domainnameedited>.com -Websites For Sale,Buy Sell and Trade Web Sites.Buying a Website...
Sites.Buying a Website.Websites for Sale Main Find a Listing Sell your Site New Listings Featured Sites Web Site Values ...

<domainnameedited>.com - Buy, Sell Web Sites Websites For Sale Buy, Sell Web Sites Websites For Sale Home Contact Us Complete Websites (192) Databases (2) Domain Names (72 ...

Websites for sale
... scan here! <edited>: Home Websites for sale! Hosting News: 20/11/2002 ... ....Description: Web hosting and domain name registration.

Websites for Sale, Buy Websites, Sell Websites, List Websites for Sale - It's FREE!
Sale - It's FREE Websites for Sale Buy Websites Sell Websites List Websites It's FREE! Websites for Sale <edited>.com Websites for Sale List <edited>.com ... are a seller, list your websites for sale for free - there is absolutely ...

Websites for Sale
... Contact Us YOU ARE HERE: Web Solutions >> Websites for Sale . Our Portfolio Our Global Clients Web Application ... Submit Your Site to Search Engines Manually Websites for Sale Complete websites for sale including domain names. eStore For Sale Quickly ...
Description: Complete websites for sale including domain names. <edited>

<edited>.com - WebSites For Sale
<edited> WebSite Sales Forums > WebSites For Sale (Moderated by: keithd) Subscribe to this Forum Mark ... Forums Home -------------------- WebSite Sales Forums-- WebSites For Sale-- WebSite Sales-- WebSite Valuation-- WebSite Content ...

Fully Function Websites for Sale
Easy to use Internet eCommerce Tools

web sites for sale
... potential of E-Business & E-Commerce go to web sites for sale. PRIVACY STATEMENT websites for sale
Description: Make money! We have web sites for sale or to buy. Use our unique, free, online E-Valuator to estimate values of web sites for sale. Submit your site or make an offer on web sites for sale.

Seems right it was on target for that particular search phrase to me, once I marked it to in fact be a phrase.

Kevin outta Norman, America

Oopsey, forgot to add this - total number of returns was over 45,745, so yeah, that search phrase could use a tad bit of fine tuning to truly be productive


 6:57 am on Dec 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Putting quotes (or exact phrase) is besides the point. The point is that even after using the word "websites" in the search phrase, there wasn't a single result which was related to websites for sale. The result's stress was totally on "on sale". Now "on sale" is too generic a phrase and the meaning too wide to get any meaningful result from searches. Google, on the contrary, would give (very) accurate results even without the quotes (exact phrase). Thank you.


 9:38 am on Dec 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry not "on sale" - it should be read "for sale".


 11:38 am on Dec 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

ssgupta, welcome to WebmasterWorld!

What you see at ATW is one option of filtering results.
Try the same search at lycos.com.

We must remember ATW is a showcase, R&D sandbox, a tool for web savvy searchers. It's not a search engine promoted to Joe User.


 12:15 am on Dec 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

definitely better serps from my point of view!

but my site had a major makeover in late October, none of the new pages in the index... :(


 10:33 am on Dec 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

yeah they are very good result now - matches google almost exactly - lol

Robert Charlton

 2:42 am on Dec 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>It's full of doorways, keyword-keyword-keyord domains and titles and that seem to be driving the rankings.<<

In highly commercial areas I'm seeing the same thing...

In not-commercial highly competitive areas, I'm not impressed either. There's a kind of contextual understanding that is operating in both Google and Inktomi, and also in Teoma, that I'm just not seeing in Fast.

One thing that constantly drives me nuts on Fast is their apparently arbitrary rewriting of a search with quotes. It does more than just force an exact match... it gives extra weight to the quoted phrase. Seems to happen a lot when a geographic location modifier is involved. The moderately competitive results are sometimes somewhat decent without it, but I don't think most users will know to turn it off.

I keep wanting to like Fast results better than I do....


 6:32 am on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

SteveB said:

<<Sure, but look at the other thread running now about FAST. A site gets a #1 ranking without *any* evidence of quality content -- no human directories, no "votes" via linking, and no hint at all of "quality votes" from links from other solid content sites on the same topic (aka, themes). ...It does very poorly for one-word searches or common phrase searches because it has no way to sort the results content-relevantly.>>

I went looking through some common adult-related expressions (seriously highly competitive) and he's right. The kind of junk I see in these FAST results just doesn't show up much on Google.


 8:34 pm on Dec 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've submitted to FAST and am listed in the top 5 in Lycos and some other search engines but since I've been tracking my hits, I haven't seen one hit from the FAST partners. I get hits from MSN of course because I also submitted to Inktomi. It doesn't seem like the FAST network is widely used for searches.



 10:24 pm on Dec 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I went looking through some common adult-related expressions (seriously highly competitive) and he's right. The kind of junk I see in these FAST results just doesn't show up much on Google.

Most searches are non-commercial. Not everybody is looking for pr0n.

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