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FAST and that elusive algo
hmmm..
mr_dredd2




msg:224356
 12:44 pm on Jun 14, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi guys.

It seems that very few people have a good idea about the FAST algo, and that the general consensus is that it is very quirky.

I just wondered if anyone had any input aside from the following:

1) DMOZ is a significant factor in the top 20 results

2) it relies on little link pop

3) general KW density could be up around 10%

?????:)

 

startup




msg:224357
 8:44 am on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Time to stir the pot.

1 - No, Dmoz is not a factor.
In very competitive areas almost all the sites have dmoz listings. Dmoz is just another major directory to Fast.

2 - It may, but I don't think it's a numbers game.

3 - KWD is relative to the size of the page. The keyword does not have to appear anywhere on the page to get a #1 listing. It is possible to have it only in the title, site and inbound links.



angiolo




msg:224358
 9:59 am on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Startup!

> 3 - The keyword does not have to appear anywhere on the page to get a #1 listing. It is possible to have it only in the title, site and inbound links. >

I do not think this is a "rule of tomb". There are exceptions; try:

[alltheweb.com...]

Angiolo

startup




msg:224359
 10:38 am on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Look at #6, I know of others that are #1.
[alltheweb.com...]

angiolo




msg:224360
 10:55 am on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Hi Startup!

Very interesting.
Probably it means that link popularity has a good role here.

In my post I only wanted to focus on the fact that you can have keywords in your body without penalization: in your example the first listing has the keyword "legal" in the body.

I think that the Algo depends on so many factors varying on how much competion there is for the targeted keywords; for not too much competitive keywords maybe DMOZ listing, title and small links popularity could be fine.
In high competitive keywords link popularity is much more important: not only the numbers of the links but the quality of the links too.

Angiolo

startup




msg:224361
 11:33 am on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Anglio,

Let's focus on #6 and how it got there.

I did a search on google for the same page, links = 137.
Searched "legal" on google and #6 has 527 links(I am using google as a link reference point).

We cannot at this point factor in links as a major reason for being listed #6 on Fast for the search term "legal". The SERP(thanks Brett)returns 17,344,044 pages and many of then under #6 have more links.
Legal, does not appear in the domain name, page name, title or anywhere on the page.

Interesting isn't it.

I know of pages like this that are at #1 for other SERPS.


bobriggs




msg:224362
 1:07 pm on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

This might be a hint.

Do a search on FAST for 'disclaimer' and 'legal disclaimer' (unquoted).

The site has a lot of pages with a link to the page you're talking about, for instance:
http:*//www.linktopics.com/user/main/LTRecreation.htm
[delinked]

startup




msg:224363
 1:17 pm on Jun 15, 2001 (gmt 0)

Okay, so it is not a numbers game(see my first post).

Angiolo, If Dmoz links caried alot of weight the listing for this one page would not be possible.

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