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I've been looking at alltheweb all day today and...
han solo

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Msg#: 150 posted 8:57 pm on Mar 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

Seems that their engine is really getting a lot better. I'm not sure about the supplemental pages, but the top ten results for general queries really seem good for relevance...although I still prefer google, personally :)

What I'm wondering though is if I submit site a today, when could I expect the nice little spider to show up? Next week, week after? And when would I be getting indexed?

I looked through some of the recent posts, and didn't see any handy references. Appreciate the info :)

Cheers,

Han Solo

 

mivox

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Msg#: 150 posted 9:15 pm on Mar 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

I don't remember how long it took to get my first listing after submission, but I haven't submitted much of anything since then, and FAST has been very good about doing a monthly deep crawl ever since...

I would definitely say the spider should pop in within a week, and the site should be added within a month or so... they've been very good about updating our revised pages quickly.

rcjordan

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Msg#: 150 posted 9:26 pm on Mar 16, 2001 (gmt 0)

>really getting a lot better

You're right. I just went through the top 60 of a 2-word phrase that is tricky because it contains a the word "banks" yet the phrase has nothing to do with financial institutions. ALL 60 were relevant, though there were three or four instances of marginal spamming, mostly repeats from the same domains. Its very similar to Google's top 60 for the same term, though not exactly the same.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 150 posted 8:59 am on Mar 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

The only real question is their algo. It doesn't make sense to me from the popular (top 100) keywords to secondary keywords. It is almost as if it were hand tweaked or scored against some outside influence. I'm thinking their top kw's were hand edited.

Submitted March 3..in db now. (not sure when it went live).

angiolo

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Msg#: 150 posted 12:44 pm on Mar 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

Brett_Tabke said: I'm thinking their top kw's were hand edited.

We noticed that their first results are influenced by Dmoz listings. you can see the Dmoz logo in their first page (close to the Dell logo).

Angiolo

mark_roach

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Msg#: 150 posted 4:00 pm on Mar 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

>>We noticed that their first results are influenced by >>Dmoz listings

Well spotted Angiolo - You have just got a pretty big chunk of the equation there. I would probably go as far as saying that you have to be in DMOZ to be in the top ranked pages.

The actual page that is listed in DMOZ is important.

They appear to spider the URL, Title, Meta Description and wait for it ..... meta keywords, but not the text of the page !

The pages listed in DMOZ have their Meta Description against their listing, pages not in DMOZ have the 1st 30 or 40 words on their page as the description.

The 1st 20 results are taken from sites in the ODP. When you get to page 3 it is open house and all pages in the DB are elligible.

han solo

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Msg#: 150 posted 8:33 pm on Mar 19, 2001 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the input, especially the dmoz analysis.

I'd noticed something strange about the way they displayed when they had the dmoz at the bottom, but I didn't go so far in my research...

So, Brett, 16 days submit to live? That is amazing, especially since their db is so big.

Cheers,

Han Solo

herb

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Msg#: 150 posted 1:23 am on Mar 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Let me throw some water on the DMOZ thing.

On a key word pair that returns 2,884,840 when searched on Fast we have six sites listed in 2-7 positions. The number two site is a subdirectory off a site that has no relationship to the keywords and is not listed in DMOZ. In fact only one of the sites is listed in DMOZ. But they are all cross-linked to each other. All of the links are on theme.

Most of the sites have a keyword density of 12-24 percent. Google hates them but Fast loves them.

Fast is Google two years ago.

For what it's worth.

mark_roach

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Msg#: 150 posted 8:39 am on Mar 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Herb

Fast will only show 2 pages worth of DMOZ results if there are 20 relevant sites. For the more obscure searches they will show as many DMOZ sites as they can and then the sites from the general index.

There are a couple of hints as to where the sites are coming from. The DMOZ logo indicates that there are sites from DMOZ on the page. If you get the "xxxxx documents found - y.yyyy seconds search time" message then there are pages from the general database on the page.

As I have said before the DMOZ pages are the ones with the META discription listed, the general pages use the 1st 30-40 words as the description.

Try this search [alltheweb.com] for an example. I think the 1st 3 are from DMOZ, the rest from the general DB.

I think that FAST may use two seperate databases, the DMOZ and non-DMOZ. With the DMOZ one being significantly smaller (I don't think that it contains the text of the page), therefore returning the search results much quicker for the 1st page.

BTW. I think that it is the relevant links that FAST likes not necessarily the KWD. I had a similar setup to what you have described. I reduced the KWD significantly and FAST still ranks the sites well, and so now does google.

herb

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Msg#: 150 posted 2:05 pm on Mar 21, 2001 (gmt 0)

Mark,

>>>Fast will only show 2 pages worth of DMOZ results if there are 20 relevant sites. For the more obscure searches they will show as many DMOZ sites as they can and then the sites from the general index.

There are a couple of hints as to where the sites are coming from. The DMOZ logo indicates that there are sites from DMOZ on the page. If you get the "xxxxx documents found - y.yyyy seconds search time" message then there are pages from the general database on the page. <<<<

Your observation which I believe are/were correct make this a divergence from what I have seen in the past.

The first two pages do have the DMOZ logo but of our six sites (ranked 2-7) only one is in the DMOZ index. DMOZ returns several hundred matches for this KW pair when searched from their site, not an obscure KW. This occurred on the update just prior to the last one about 3-4 weeks ago. The sites have stuck through the last (2-3 days ago) update.

The mix or importance of DMOZ seems to have changed.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 150 posted 2:03 pm on Mar 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

Interesting them using DMOZ. I didn't think they would be the Dmoz type. All that free data must be to appetizing to pass up. I have to backup and agree with Hans though, Fast has gotten a great deal better in the last six months. You don't hear it talked about much, but try their power search once - one of the better ones available.

mivox

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Msg#: 150 posted 9:29 pm on Mar 23, 2001 (gmt 0)

I submitted a new page and an updated page to them on Monday. The updated listings appeared today... I think FAST may now become my #2 search engine of choice. (I still go to Google first, but they sure don't process their spidering/submissions/updates as quickly as FAST does!)

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