heini
msg:222912 | 4:45 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Short answer: ATW will display the same results as AV: the new Yahoo search. I guess Yahoo would simply shut down the site, but it has a marketshare of around 1% in several countries, which amounts to something. As to being gutted: Basically we have said goodbye to this once great engine at the moment Fast sold it to Overture.
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Rumbas
msg:222913 | 6:06 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Amen. To my knowledge Alltheweb.com will be a mirror of Yahoo Search. Altavista is in the row as well. However AV was kind of a suprise to them in terms of market share and power of the brand. The once so popular search engine is actually still being used to search. Eventhough the glow is fading :) RIP
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skippy
msg:222914 | 6:10 pm on Mar 5, 2004 (gmt 0) |
It is a shame. I also have a soft spot for ATW. When ever Google would throw a fit I found myself searching there. I sure will miss the back links search.
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markd
msg:222915 | 8:43 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
.. and Scirus anyone?
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heini
msg:222916 | 10:00 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Scirus is powered by Fast Search & Transfer ASA, the company that sold ATW as part of their websearch division to Overture last year.
The company has since been operating very successfully in the enterprise search market.
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markd
msg:222917 | 10:13 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Thanks Heini, so presumably the integrity of this resource is safe from Overture?
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heini
msg:222918 | 10:22 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Mark, scirus is an interface to the realms of one of the largest publishing houses worldwide, large parts of the content available through scirus is their own expensive pay per view content, this has nothing to do with websearch etc.
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markd
msg:222919 | 10:47 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
Ahh I see Heini - thank you very much. Hence the reason I got an email from this publishing house regarding 'advertising' (banners etc.) on Scirus. Makes sense now!
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trillianjedi
msg:222920 | 11:35 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
| ATW will display the same results as AV: the new Yahoo search. |
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What a waste of a good database and algo. Very sad. I was also an ATW fan. In fact, my search bar in WW uses it. TJ
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sem4u
msg:222921 | 11:43 am on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
You might want to take a look here: webpronews.com/insiderreports/searchinsider/wpn-49-20040305YahooTalksBlackHatOptimizationAndSearchAsMedia.html | Tim also mentioned that alltheweb and AltaVista could soon have their own distinct algorithms and indices. The results will still be relevant, he said, but different. |
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Seems to go against what everyone has been saying. [edited by: heini at 12:01 pm (utc) on Mar. 8, 2004]
[edit reason] delinked [/edit]
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Rumbas
msg:222922 | 2:16 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
>Seems to go against what everyone has been saying. ..provded that guy is telling the truth.
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markd
msg:222923 | 4:05 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
.. and also that you want to: Pay for the privilege of having an 'editor' review your pages for a non-refundable fee. Pay to have you URL's included in the Overture-distributed/Ink database Pay per click. And repeat the above process in trying to optimise for AllTheWeb, AV, Yahoo etc. As far as I am aware, you cannot choose (and pay accordingly) to be in Fast OR Yahoo - it's blanket inclusion even if the engines will have their own algos. Me, I prefered PFI where you could choose which engines/network you were targeting and optimise accordingly... Still got black armbands on for Fast...
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walkman
msg:222924 | 4:24 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
it doesn't make sense for Y! to have three different search dbs with their own staff and research. They might just change a thing or two in the algo to make it somewhat different, but I think it's smart to have them show Y! results.
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snort
msg:222925 | 4:46 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
I'll also miss ATW. It's a shame Yahoo chooses to kill of one of their better engines. And I'm not the only one who thinks ATW is great - it won second place in the 2004 Search Engine Watch Awards [searchenginewatch.com].
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Spica
msg:222926 | 4:59 pm on Mar 8, 2004 (gmt 0) |
I suppose it may be a cost-cutting decision from Yahoo, and a better way to compete with Google. However, I too will miss ATW if it loses its true identity.
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xbase234
msg:222927 | 4:02 pm on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0) |
If they are buying up and folding these natural crawler based SE's, it looks like Yahoo! has paved the way for a new crawler based engine to emerge in a big way. (Gigablast, are you listening?).
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ronin
msg:222928 | 6:26 pm on Mar 9, 2004 (gmt 0) |
What are the chances of a small group within Alltheweb breaking away to do semi-independent, cutting edge development in the same way that the Mozilla foundation broke away from Netscape? Would Y! allow it? Tim?
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Tropical Island
msg:222929 | 4:27 pm on Mar 13, 2004 (gmt 0) |
That's all fine and good however if you don't have a reasonable amount of traffic what value is it?
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spaidermen
msg:222930 | 3:25 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0) |
When is it going to switch to Yahoo! new index?
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Alternative Future
msg:222931 | 3:30 pm on Mar 18, 2004 (gmt 0) |
>>What are the chances of a small group within Alltheweb breaking away to do semi-independent, cutting edge development in the same way that the Mozilla foundation broke away from Netscape? Correct me if I am wrong but wasn't NS part of the Mozilla open source project, whereas ATW would have rights on there code and signed contracts not allowing anything out of the office so to speak. I might be wrong as i said about the open source and i would like to be corrected if so. -George
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