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What is a web designer?
I don't know what I am any more...
limbo




msg:848271
 2:06 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ever been asked what you do for a living? Of course you have, this happens all the time.

Ever not known how to answer because you don't have the "required" skills?

I tried to define it last night for an overview section of our agency, but got very lost in the process. It was going well until the boundaries started to blur when discussing the reason I do not use flash... Someone then said "I couldnít call myself a web designer if I don't know how to use it"

I was pretty taken back by this and started to machine-gun them all with reasons why, I thought I had plenty of ammo.... didn't make a jot of difference; "if I donít use/know flash I canít be a web designer, end of story".

So I am now disadvantaged in the work place! If I don't put Flash it on my CV will I be tossed aside as a design amateur in the eyes of a future employer.

I canít write Webdeveloper, donít know a serverís rear end from its Ö (does it have an elbow?) Neither do I consider myself a Webmaster nor would I feel comfortable telling someone I was. I am actually starting to feel inadequate because of this damn software that, to me, seems to be the inadequate one.

enter daydream ....

What will they say at the annual webdesigner parties? I will be stood there wearing the ďI hate flash because it disadvantages me in the work placeĒ t-shirt and them with there sci-fi robotic hats that blink and swoosh, all looking down on me. ďSod it!Ē I think to myself, Iíll go to the bar, if only I could find it, who designed this place....?

So what to do? Do I lie? Or should I risk it and stand by my guns and omit flash from my CV? Or (I canít believe I am writing this) learn Flash just to say I can use it? What a ridiculous place to be.

 

topr8




msg:848272
 2:20 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"if I donít use/know flash I canít be a web designer, end of story".

give yourself a specalist web title something like ...

information architect

benihana




msg:848273
 2:28 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

you design websites, dont you? therefore: you = web designer

I think your colleague maybe got things back to front, its flash specialists who cannot write a scrap of html who should not be called web designers. (disclaimer: i realise there are many who can do both extremely well)

Iíll go to the bar, if only I could find it, who designed this place....?

LOL :)

smokeyb




msg:848274
 2:39 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

And of course it's a bit ironic when all the Flash banners and bits & bobs I see, have the tell-tale signs of 3rd party .swf output software!(no Flash knowledge needed). Probably because most people (like me) leave the software behind after learning it, and use quickfixes when someone really wants a Flash banner... If they're talking pure Flash websites, then that's definitely a specialist area, reserved for those people who have 25 hour days.

limbo




msg:848275
 3:22 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

you design websites, dont you? therefore: you = web designer

Yes, but if I make this assumption it may alienate prospective employers. I am in the business & have been for long enough to create sites that are useable, well ranked, acccessible....

The problem for me here, is the perception of others on my current skills, not my own perception of web design (with which I was very happy). Sure when I have a foot through the door I can begin the remonstrations, but pushing myself down the employability scale due to lack of experience in a arena that has yet to prove its worth... its a horrible notion.

limbo




msg:848276
 3:31 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

information architect

Could do, but what then? I design webste sites not just the site structure. Including page layout, type, colour, icons, css, visuals, etc etc..... this to me says Designer not IA?

reserved for those people who have 25 hour days.

Yes, exactly :)

BeeDeeDubbleU




msg:848277
 3:33 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think therefore I am :)

HelenDev




msg:848278
 4:06 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think web developer is still the best description. I call myself that and I'm no expert on servers and such things, although I try to know a little about all aspects of web stuff.

I think Web designer implies you only know about the creative side and not about any technical stuff.

I'm not a big fan of Flash, but I do get asked to do stuff with it every now and again, so I know just enough about it to do simple things - usually people just want something that looks cool and contains a link - and I think that's just enough to put it on my CV.

benihana




msg:848279
 9:31 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

alienate prospective employers.

there will always be some potential employers that want flash, just as there will be ones that want php, xml, asp, javascript ... etc ad infinitum.

then again, there will also be ones that are more concerned with
sites that are useable, well ranked, acccessible....

smokeyb




msg:848280
 9:39 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Something occured to me that disputes that comment "I couldnít call myself a web designer if I don't know how to use it", and that is that in the main I don't use Flash for the web. It is better used to make cartoons and games that wouldn't be viable for use on the net. In truth Flash has evolved way beyond simple bouncy text and cosmic navigation systems, and is utilised by many other types of professionals. So the question is: Is an animator not an animator if he can't use Flash? or: Is a game developer not one if he can't either? or: Is flash just a versatile piece of software that may or may not be used according to preference?..

benihana




msg:848281
 9:55 pm on Jan 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

versatile piece of software that may or may not be used according to preference

well said. :)

limbo




msg:848282
 3:57 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

versatile piece of software that may or may not be used according to preference

Yes indeed. We have a team member who uses this to make interactive CD Roms (he is a multimedia designer).

I think on balance it would be an idea to glean a little knowledge, as Helen says, do enough to action script a little graphic here and there, plop a reference to it on my CV and then forget about it.

....for now.....

choster




msg:848283
 6:50 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I thought everybody nowadays was just a "consultant" anyway :).

twist




msg:848284
 3:28 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

By your co-workers logic that if you don't know how to build flash applications then you aren't a web developer, wouldn't that also apply that if you don't know how to create videos from scratch (mpeg, wmv, avi) that you are also not a web designer? For that matter, what about shockwave or java? A .swf is no different than a .jpg. All the web developer has to know how to do is put them on the web, not how to create them.

pxp25




msg:848285
 8:39 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had similair delima when I applied for a Web designer position nearly a year ago. I know a little about flash but I know enough to know that Flash is not appropriate on all type of sites. I was applying for the position with a catalog company that has a big chunk of its sale coming from the their retail website. To the retail site that rely on fast download and search engine traffic to general sale flash was not appropriate(too heavy/too long to load and it is a just a black box to search engine.) Better site navigation and quick download are more important.

There are situations and sites where the use of Flash is appropriate, for example art gallery, design firm, interactive sites, on and on where the look of the site is more important that download time and search engine traffic. What I am trying to say is knowing something like Flash is good idea for a web designer but more importantly knowing when, where and why to use or not to use it is most important.

I got that job BTW not because I know flash but it was because I know it enough to know when, where and why to use it.

I hope this help

from another web designer

Nicola




msg:848286
 12:16 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got turned down for a job in a big design firm, because I was too much of a "Jack of All Trades".

Web design firms like to compartmentalise their employees IMO.

An all rounder is considered useful in smaller companies.

george123




msg:848287
 12:54 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

one think you should know, there are different schools of web design like in art history, in Europe (Swedish-German school....the best) is the gray cold bg or black green .underdeveloped in web design countries use flash, US uses a mix of both.

too much information




msg:848288
 1:48 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Personally I am really bad at the graphic design stuff, but I can recreate any design you give me. So I don't know if I would call myself a designer.

In construction the architect does the design, the civil engineer makes it work, and the contractor puts it on the ground. I guess in my case I would be the engineer and contractor. *I knew I should be charging more!

krieves




msg:848289
 4:02 pm on Jan 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

My title is Website Manager, even though, for the most part I do all the work. I create the graphics and photography, website design, code the HTML and JavaScript, write copy and create content, while interfacing with the business units to make sure their interests are represented. The only thing I don't do is the server maintenance (thank goodness we have a tech services area that maintains hardware).

After reading what I just wrote, I think I deserve a raise. :)

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