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How to teach designer?
alexdio

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Msg#: 1647 posted 10:52 am on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi.
How to teach designer to make better web site designs?

Thank you,
Alex.

 

tomda

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Msg#: 1647 posted 11:02 am on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

- Read tutorial about CSS (if you do not use style sheet)

- Learn more about the color you may use (water color painting is great to practice) :)

- Browse the web to find good designed websites.

But I personnaly feel that a user-friendly website (e.g. print layout) with average design is better than a non-user-friendly website with good design.

limbo

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Msg#: 1647 posted 11:07 am on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Alexdio

Welcome to Webmasterworld

There are many way to answer that question :)

Is he or she creative? how much experience? and what qualifications?

If this person is completely new to design they will need to read, read and read. Many design professionals are schooled for 6-7 years and understand principles that can be applied to websites as they might to architecture, graphics or fashion. Web design is still a relatively new discipline so the tuition available is nominal - this is where a background in design helps IMO.

Your designer will also need good technical skills. A minimum of photoshop/other image editor and HTML. CSS is a prerequisite for many now too and will definitely add substance to a designers skill base. Learning HTML using WYSISYG editor is a good start if it is twinned with an understanding of the code too.

....Just a taster.....

benihana

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Msg#: 1647 posted 11:28 am on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

user-friendly website (e.g. print layout) with average design is better than a non-user-friendly website with good design

user-friendly website is good design (at least part of it )

non-user-friendly website = bad design.

its not just about making things look 'nice'. design is about solving problems, in the most elegant manner possible. in the case of most websites, the 'problems' are to let the user get the information /order the products with as little hassle as possble. worry about that before adding the 'skin'

ben

alexdio

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Msg#: 1647 posted 12:28 pm on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

There are no problems with technical skills (Photoshop, html etc.) But I need more creative and professional sites. Can you suggest any links to web tutorials for experienced web designers or give me another way to teach?

korkus2000

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Msg#: 1647 posted 1:06 pm on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

It is the same question asked of all good artists, what makes them good. The answer is experience. Only through practice will the problems be solved. The more sites they create the better they will become.

Are you holding critique sessions? All artists need an outside eye to let them know what others think are successes and failures. You should get them to make plenty of designs that you can critique and let them know what you like since you seem to be the employer. The designer should always strive to please the client, even if their design judgement is poor. Let them know what you like and what you don't and they will start to curve their designs that way.

rogerd

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Msg#: 1647 posted 2:05 pm on Sep 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think looking at and discussing other websites is a good way to increase creativity - it helps develop the eye and focus on design elements.

I think teaching someone "artistic creativity" is difficult. That seems to be something that individuals have or don't have. Nevertheless, web design isn't like creating a beautiful oil painting on a blank canvas. By using templates and borrowing design elements from other sites, even people without great artistic talent can be competent designers.

mumbledawg

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Msg#: 1647 posted 1:15 am on Sep 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

In design school we always had to stand up and explain our work. I thought that was a bit backwards. It would have been much more useful to show our work and let others critique it. I already knew what the design meant to me, knowing others reactions to it would have been much more useful.

shigamoto

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Msg#: 1647 posted 1:13 pm on Sep 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Except for learning CSS and looking at other sites (as said before) there are a couple of good books you can consult. One by Jakob Nielsen (don't remember the name) and the other one by Alan Cooper, The Inmates are Running the Asylum.

They are not technical but make some good points.

pixelkat

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Msg#: 1647 posted 8:11 pm on Sep 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

while I feel it's regretful that rogerd feels that:

"web design isn't like creating a beautiful oil painting on a blank canvas."

I do agree with his statement that:

"I think teaching someone "artistic creativity" is difficult."

(altho I would suggest that he just hasn't yet been to the most visually stunning web sites, a la Joshua Davis or Brendon Dawes or hasn't seen enough crappy oil paintings yet!)

Artistic creativity is 5% talent, 95% desire. Improved creativity has to come from within. It comes from the personal desire to achieve a higher level of design capability.

Designers are only as good as they want to be. You can't make them improve by showing them examples or talking to them about improvement. Nor can you learn it out of books. In fact, showing them examples of the professional design you desire can have the opposite effect, dooming them to failure each time they fail to achieve to your expectations.

Improvement comes from investing countless hours practicing techniques. Improved creative capability takes time and can't be rushed. There are no shortcuts. It takes as long as it takes, and not a minute shorter.

In all likelihood, you don't have a thousand hours to wait. You need professional design now. Your business may depend on it. The most efficient way to get more professional design quality is to hire a designer who already possesses the skill level you need.

As for the junior designer in need of improvement? Two of the best ways to accelerate that improvement:

1. enroll your designer in a Photoshop class at the local community college for an entire quarter (usually 12 - 13 weeks long. Even if your designer claims to already know Photoshop. I've been using Photoshop for 10+ years and I probably only use half the available features. A web designer can never know too much Photoshop. The added benefit of class enrollment is improvement that comes from having to perform among peers. We are either under pressure to perform as well as others, or we are inspired by others to improve.

2. Hire a more senior contract designer who can mentor your junior designer for a few months while producing the level of professional design you need.

by giving your designer the tools to improve, you will find out soon enough whether your designer has the desire to improve. You will either get better work or discover you need to find another designer.

btw, I respect and admire your desire to give your designer an opportunity to improve. in the cutthroat design biz, most employers arbitrarily discard designers until they get one who produces what they want, without any regard to loyalty, temperament, ability to work with others or other positive attributes. "On the job" learning is a rarity anymore.

hope you achieve the desired results. best wishes.

Kat

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