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So what is "so '90s" in Web design?
What are you tired of seeing?

 9:32 pm on Mar 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've read threads on this site where people have said that's "so '90s" such as using drop-down menus ([webmasterworld.com ].

So what do people consider yesterday's news when it comes to general site design/look? Are you tired of seeing fish-eye pictures of people from above? If so, what else?



 9:59 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)



 10:07 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Really I am just feeding the search spiders nothing but text blah blah blah text

*snigger* - there's a few SEOs I can think of that specialize in that sort of nonsense, while at the same time preaching "no spam!".

I'd like to add: "If you're searching for [insert keyword here] or [insert keyword here], then you've come to the right place. Other terms people have searched on to find this page are [insert keyword here], [insert keyword here], [insert keyword here].............


 10:31 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)
live chat now, forced upon you when browsing the site.

popups that dont sit still so you can close them

anything that auto does anything obnoxious on a index page - the pop ups that speak oohhhh how they bring me to boil...

Non secure forms...
http://www. domain .com/enter-all-your-personal-info-here-for-a-loan-form.html

A email confirmation with complete said form info...

video and audio feeds in a proprietary format... requires <brand> to play...

Although I need/do it - I do hate relying on adobe acrobat for pdf downloads.

[1][[b]edited by[/b]: techrealm at 10:32 pm (utc) on Mar. 16, 2004][/1]


 10:31 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Photoshop Solar Flair effect... used to see that everywhere


 10:32 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have no idea what "golden boxes" refers to.

I should have said "Gold Box". My pet hate. A few years or so ago, a major (major!) book retailer branched out into other lines, mostly unrelated to books or DVDs. One supposedly-tempting item on its home page is a user-tailored "Gold Box" shaped like a treasure chest. Open it and you get offers, the hard sell being they are only valid for a short while. I just opened mine and this is what came up.

- a set of Clint Eastwood videos
- a burger grill
- 256 Mbyte DRAM
- an optical mouse
- a DVD for a film I had never heard of.
- a digital voice recorder
- a pair of earrings
- a non-stick kitchen spatula
- a quick cam
- a food mixer

I'm not objecting to the fact they sell this stuff, it's the way they compromised their design. Currently their navigation tabs are decorated with a running shoe. It just looks so tatty.

Hopefully they won't roll out the design to their European sites.


 10:37 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Another thing to add to my pet hates - the hidden online-support email address.

Typically to get to it you have to go through a lengthy help routine, going around and around, before you spot the obscure page on which they hide their email address.


 10:38 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Although I need/do it - I do hate relying on adobe acrobat for pdf downloads.


troels nybo nielsen

 10:47 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Frontpage 98 templates


 10:52 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dancing balogna


 11:30 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Completely idiocyncratic code. I don't mean to suggest that we don't see nonstandard code today. But I'm talking about the ultra-personal tweakish HTML that I myself used to write.

Validation? Not important! I went for the smallest file size that would display. No end tags. No quotations for attributes. That kind of thing.

Now, the people who did that are mostly doing it right. And the bloat-lovers are still loving their bloated code.


 11:32 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

pardon my ignorance, but dancing what?


 11:35 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

> image maps & map files ... always hated building coordinates... hated mapedit too.

> and definitely horizontal rules. <HR>

glad to see both go!


 11:43 pm on Mar 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had a website customer last month using the marquee tag. Geesh, that's not even 90's. 70's maybe? I had to look it up.

I think sites are going more towards bare text/minimal graphics - just like this site. It's almost a return the old days, but with a bit better use of html and css.


 12:11 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

some things we do NOW that I look forward to losing:

-- faint gray text on a white background (geesh..if it could be any harder to read!)
-- popups
-- pop unders
-- copy that tries to be genuine but is only there to try and apearcredible, so the site can sell something
-- sites designed solely to sell product, with no mention anywhere of that fact.
-- sites and domain names with no real address, name, phone, etc.


 12:17 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm just tired of IE in general, and those flashing banners suck too.


 12:22 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Forms that you download as a Word 6 document and then fax.

An award which reads: "Top 5% of the Web!"


 12:39 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Whole websites on one single html page where you have to scroll and scroll and then scroll some more.

tiled backgrounds with a grained texture.

text graphics or buttons where the default photoshop layer style is applied (bevel, shadow, etc.)

spacer gif overkill



 1:01 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

. Horizontal scrolling Javascript marquees
. Rollovers using looping animated GIFs
. Animated email icons
. Client side shopping carts (Actinic etc.)
. Graphics floating around your mouse pointer
. Times New Roman
. We'll submit your site to 50,000 search engines

I'd put up with everything mentioned so far if we could consign frames and 100% Flash sites to the 90s.


 1:01 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

"We've Detected that you don't have the Flash 4 Plug-In, and locked your browser up trying to do so"


 1:11 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

pssst - check your control panel, you can change the color scheme here very easily

Thank you!


 1:28 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

So, how did the change came around? What triggered it?

From the items above I think we can see that this shift is more than simple trendiness or the "flavor of the month". Well - fisheye overhead photography was just trendiness that got tired fast.

But many of the items mentioned simply don't work well in delivering content to the end user, and people who watched their stats learned this. Some are slow, some are graceless and look "cheap", some confuse users.

The key to good design is does it support the delivery of information. People who are tuned in to this will drop what they see isn't working.

And then there's the fact that any innovation that is used too frequently becomes boring so people tune it out (as in banner blindness). Again, it worked for a while but it stopped working. I think designers do well to focus on how to support the site's information rather than trying to attract attention to design itself.


 2:10 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Netscape Now" buttons and any flavour of this button.


[edited by: tedster at 6:32 am (utc) on Mar. 17, 2004]


 2:30 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can anybody tell me what was meant by "Inverted-L shaped frames" back on page one of this thread? Does this refer to frames with a capital F, i.e. multiple windows with scrollbars on one page? And what is in the L-shape region?


 2:41 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would suspect inverted L shape sites being like this:

Home >>> Products >>> Support >>> About US >>>











<<edited for spelling>>>


 2:45 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mmmmm....seems you have all seen my site



 2:52 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

The following has got to be THE WORST!

- Browser window resizing to full screen especially. Leave my $%#$@ window size ALONE!

- Rapid redirect so the back button won't work. Guarantees I wont be back to the offending site.

- Bad links


 3:09 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

None exactly 90s, but general annoyances.

- Sites that lock me out because I'm not using IE.
- E-commerce sites that requires a street address (some of us don't have street addresses)
- Pages that looks like a car full of clowns had crashed into a Sherwin Williams paint truck
- Java!
- Shockwave!
- FLASH! $%#$ *&^%!
- oversized images
- "Best" webpage awards
- Colored scroll bars (not that I ever see them in Mozilla)


 3:11 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Inverted-L shaped frames"

I stuck that up. Techrealm gives a good approximation of what I meant.

The top and left side of the page are a frame and new pages show in the remainder. They aren't so common now, but they were often designed with fancy curves to disguise the mechanical nature of the page.


 3:26 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

As others have mentioned,
Light text on a dark background has my first vote.

I'd also like to add:
Wide pages, where the right part of the page is truncated when you print them.


 3:35 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

What are you supposed to have instead of click here to indicate that you need to click here?


 3:47 am on Mar 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

You're not supposed to describe the action a visitor must perform in order to visit the page you're recommending - you're supposed to describe the recommended page.

Lots of centred <hr> lines, separating groups of paragraphs all the way down a twenty screen length page.


I haven't used <hr> for about 5 years >;->

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