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Yahoo is GONE!
All overture and google with no more yahoo.
Internet Marketing M

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Msg#: 957 posted 1:33 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

All overture and google with no more yahoo. I verified this from different machines, cleared cookies, everything at 9:32pm EST. Can anyone else verify this?

 

NeedScripts

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:31 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Everything looks normal to me.

Bentler

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:40 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Results are not purely Google-- its Yahoo results intersecting Google results. It appears Yahoo ranks based on Google rank, but Yahoo directory listings first and the rest of Google results following. Not a bad way to continue serving their clients (webmasters) while improving results for their customers (searchers) if you ask me.

Hunter

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:40 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yeah they switched back...well, only time will tell.

They probably switched the first time just to check our reflexes on WebmasterWorld :)

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:42 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Here on the west coast its Overture for the first three SERPs, then Yahoo directory listings with Yahoo description. At the bottom of the page is a link for "web page matches. That gets you to Google SERPs. If this is the new Yahoo, then Google has been buried.

The blows are coming fast. I would look for a flood of $299 submissions. Is that a price increase I see in my crystal ball?

I see listings where the key words searched don't even appear on the page. Questionable relevance? No sub pages listed on the first page.

Well, off to London tomorrow.

littleman

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:44 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just can't imagine the impact this would have if they pulled the switch the same month google did a major algo shift. The combination would be devastating for many.

Well, for me anyway.

john316

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:48 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>I just can't imagine the impact this would have if they pulled the switch the same month google did a major algo shift.<<

I believe the 2 go hand in hand, it may explain many things about the "improved" google algo.

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:52 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yep. This could rearrange webmastering life as we know it. My initial reaction is that the change has really degraded relevance on Yahoo. My reaction is that this is a move on Yahoo's part to increase monetization of listings. We'll need a more muscular war chest.

feeder

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:54 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

This thread is about as clear as mud ;)

one side: all overture and google results, no yahoo directory
middle: a mix of all three
other side: same overture, all yahoo, no google

So which is it? I can see no changes.

john316

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:55 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

feeder..it was there, it was gone.. looks like one of those "stay tuned" kinda deals.

born2drv

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Msg#: 957 posted 3:59 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>>>My initial reaction is that the change has really degraded relevance on Yahoo.

So what you're saying is, you prefer the keyword stuffed hyphenated domain sites Y! had before, over sites ranked by Google? I think using Google would be much better, in my opinion.

I do have one question for those of you that saw the change, are the website sub-pages that are listed in the Google ranked Y! pages showing the Y! title/descriptions as well, or only the main page?

ie. is wwww.mysite.com/mystuff/ using the Y! title/desc for "mysite.com"? This would not be good, since my site covers so much topics and I don't want my main Y! title/desc showing for every page in my site.

Woz

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:00 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes, it was there and has now flipped back. <don't worry, you're not losing it feeder..>

Cetainly worth keeping a very close eye on as it would change the value of a Directory listing instantly - downwards.

Onya
Woz

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:03 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Google SERPs are pure Google as we know it. Also, the right column is block ads.

steveb

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:06 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing wild flipping, literally refreshing a page brings wildly different search results.

One disturbing results page I saw was very bad, pure spam and giberish almost alternating (in order) with Google results... like
Spam
Google1
Different Spam
Google 2
Another spam
Google 3
Etc.

That was truly awful. Be afraid, be very afraid.

pmac

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:08 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>are the website sub-pages that are listed in the Google ranked Y! pages showing the Y! title/descriptions as well<

No.

jk3210

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:12 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Cancel the Cadillac...

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:12 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

jk3210 - You got that right!

jacon4



 
Msg#: 957 posted 4:15 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

yeah....i saw it too, google results but its back to regular YAHOO at 12p.m. eastern standard time. the thing is, a week or so ago i saw FAST results for 2 days, not sure what yahoo is up too but somethingis going on.

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:20 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I would stress that this appears, at first blush, to be a listing monetization ploy by Yahoo. You ain't gonna have a chance of getting on page one unless your site is listed in the Yahoo Directory. Pay up pal!

Go60Guy

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:32 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Possible big hint - In describing web pages results here's what Yahoo says in the Yahoo Search Help language:

Third-party search partners may provide listings for which the third party has received payment to review and/or include the site within its database. (Please note: The third-party web sites listed within the Directory and third-party search results are not part of the Yahoo! network.)

Is this an indication that Yahoo is switching to a pay for inclusion SE for its web page results? Inktomi? Teoma? Wisenut?

born2drv

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:37 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>>I would stress that this appears, at first blush, to be a listing monetization ploy by Yahoo. You ain't gonna have a chance of getting on page one unless your site is listed in the Yahoo Directory. Pay up pal!

I don't think so. If the ranking is pure Google like people first said, then that would be great for people with high Google rankings, no need to pay. I think it's great because people with list-my-spammy-site-with-these-keywords-as-the-title.com sites will no longer get high rankings just because they created a whole new company with that domain name as the company name to get high rankings for that specific title/search term. This is of course because Y! used to only put your company name as the title, which got WAY over abused and spammed in my opinion.

On the other hand, if my main page and all sub pages had really good Google rankings I'd pay $299/yr to get a proper title/desc made to reflect the content of that page to get higher clickthroughs.

rmjvol

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Msg#: 957 posted 4:43 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'd have to say that the end result is most likely to be pretty close to what we saw a couple hours ago. I didn't take a screenshot so this is by memory.

Your search: purple penguins Search in: The Web ¦ Directory ¦ News

Category Matches
- pretty much the same

Sponsor Matches
- pretty much the same, maybe 4 instead of 3 at the top. The full Overture descriptions were showing, not the usual truncated version.

Web Page Matches
- here's the big change.

Web page matches looked to be exactly Google results but with only a single page, not indented additional pages from any sites. Those pages (not sites) that are in the Y Directory had the Y description & path to the cat. I don't remember that the title was the Y title. There was a little Y! icon next to directory sites. One of my regular searches matched up perfectly with what G now shows. 1-3 are not in Y & #4 is in the Y directory.

NoCarrier referenced the new Y Help page [help.yahoo.com] that describes the results. It has changed since G last cached it & I did screenshot those. My bet is that the new, current page is probably not an interim page. It's the way it's gonna be. It essentially follows what we saw earlier.

Go60, you said you’d need to be in Y to get on the first page. That’s not what I saw & not what I read into the new help page. I think the snippet you quoted was the full disclosure on they might include results from PPC or PFI.

If what we saw is the real deal or close to it, Yahoo Express submission's value just took a hit. The only benefit would be a PR boost. And with Y linking to all those bad-neighborhoods-on-the-web, who know whether they'll be able to pass PR for long?

rmjvol

Hunter

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Msg#: 957 posted 5:04 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

rmjvol,

That is what I viewed also...

>I don't remember that the title was the Y title

If the site is listed in Y directory than it retains the Y directory title. If it is not listed in the Y directory, then it retains it's google title.

>Go60, you said you’d need to be in Y to get on the first page. That’s not what I saw

That's not what I viewed either. There were Y directory & non Y directory listings and those appear on first page results also (in Google order) but without a Yahoo des & title.

born2drv

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Msg#: 957 posted 5:20 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hunter,

>>>If the site is listed in Y directory than it retains the Y directory title. If it is not listed in the Y directory, then it retains it's google title.

Does this include the sub-pages of that site?

rmjvol

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Msg#: 957 posted 5:22 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Does this include the sub-pages of that site?

Not to my recollection. Anybody get a screenshot?

Hunter

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Msg#: 957 posted 6:13 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Does this include the sub-pages of that site?

Hmmm, there may have been a "search within this site" after the description...I believe so.

caine

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Msg#: 957 posted 7:24 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

had a look,

some very interesting SERPS, even seen a listing directly from the ODP listed verbatim (ODP url), in the top 10, even though it was mine, can't moan, have the number one postition anyway, but i have to agree, with the general consensus, that the motions of Yahoos interlude's into what is seemingly absurd, will have massive effects upon the net.

So who's feeding, who's going to be feeding, i have not heard any suggestions to support, but are yahoo thinking they can do their own serps, without the well known crawlers, hence get into the search solutions marketplace?

[edited by: caine at 7:47 am (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]

Learning Curve

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Msg#: 957 posted 7:35 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sounds like the change would be a great improvement for the average searcher. At least for the 2-word keyword phrases I follow, the current Yahoo front page of SERPs has extremely poor relevancy. It's nearly worthless.

<speculation>Part of the problem, I think, is because Yahoo doesn't weigh keyword proximity heavily when a search has 2 or more keywords. Interestingly, Google just moved in Yahoo's direction by lightening the keyword proximity factor in its own algo.</speculation>

The change you're describing would, I suspect, make Yahoo search more popular. And it would help me since I do fine in Google.

Learning Curve

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Msg#: 957 posted 7:56 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Also, if title and description are pulled from the Yahoo directory, that would be one disincentive to using Yahoo Express since you have less control over the Yahoo directory title and description than you have over the title and description that Google picks up.

mat

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Msg#: 957 posted 8:05 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Short and to the point - is anyone, anywhere, currently seeing any of this new stuff?

Nothing here (Europe), even through Anonymizer. Mat

Omni

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Msg#: 957 posted 8:24 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I need new glasses, don't see any differences. Sounds like a good idea to integrate G & D's result though. Add Overture for PPC profit, nice. :)

Tor

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Msg#: 957 posted 8:36 am on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I`m not seing any difference from my part of the world...

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