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"The Search Technology Provided by Google" Logo is gone
A hint for a new provider
Allergic




msg:841709
 1:23 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Search Technology Provided by Google Logo is now replace by text when you make a query. Who will be the provider tomorrow ?

 

Macguru




msg:841710
 1:32 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Very nice spot Allergic! Still Google stuff, but the non linked text worries me a bit...

Will I have to reopen all those dead Ink accounts? ;)

Allergic




msg:841711
 1:56 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think it will be Fast/Alltheweb. Yahoo always release new stuff in a holiday. Tomorrow is the Labor day !

startup




msg:841712
 2:20 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Webpages" still has this on the page, "Search Technology
Provided by Google". For some reason it is text instead of the logo.
(startup, reread all posts before posting)

NoCarrier




msg:841713
 3:35 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

I also noticed this morning that Yahoo! changed the web page matches results. It's no longer provided by Google. If you look at the top right corner it's no longer saying
"Search Results Provided by Google" with the clickable link to www.google.com
but instead

"Search Technology Provided by Google"

The results are also different from google.

I also searched at Yahoo! Canada and it's still using google results. But Yahoo! (www.yahoo.com) isn't using google results anymore.

Web page matches logo on Yahoo Canada (ca.yahoo.com) = Powered by google

Web page matches logo on Yahoo (www.yahoo.com) = Search Technology Provided by Google

This means Yahoo! will be using the google technology but not the results from the actual google index. My guess is that they bought their algorithm and will be creating their own index.

If you look closely at the search results, if a site is inside Yahoo! it will provide the Yahoo! description and the directory. If they were looking for a new partner, do you really think they would've made all those modifications? I don't think so.

This is the web pages search results for cars:

[google.yahoo.com...]

now compare the same results with google.com

[google.com...]

rcjordan




msg:841714
 3:49 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yahoo search tips -July 2001 [web.archive.org] via the wayback machine

Same page 9/1/2002 [help.yahoo.com]

Web Page Matches

These results show web pages and sites that match your search. These results are provided to Yahoo! by Google's search engine

Based on what I can see so far, I agree w/ NoCarrier.

<added>
This would solve Yahoo's "competitor-building" problem.

Allergic




msg:841715
 3:55 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Very interesting Nocarrier. That may explain the delay of 3 month to crawl the web. Did anyone as seen new robots/spyder from Yahoo in their log files ?

heini




msg:841716
 3:56 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but I see at least for terms, where there are no Yahoo listings, pure Google, same as it ever was.

ScottM




msg:841717
 3:59 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

My logs have shown 3 pure 'yahoo' hits as of yesterday...and I've no listing there...

NoCarrier




msg:841718
 4:13 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Heini wrote "Perhaps I'm missing the point here, but I see at least for terms, where there are no Yahoo listings, pure Google, same as it ever was."

Hello Heini, Ok, I tested something. I wanted to compare both index. The one from Yahoo! and the one from google. Below are the results.

Term searched : baseball

Google results :

[google.com...]

Web page matches

[google.yahoo.com...]

I will compare both results with their rank

First one is Yahoo! the second one will be google.

1 -
Yahoo : [mlb.com...]
Google : www.mlb.com/

2-
Yahoo: [majorleaguebaseball.com...]
Google : www.majorleaguebaseball.com/

3 -
Yahoo: [espn.com...]
Google: www.espn.com/

4 -
Yahoo: [baseball-links.com...]
Google: www.baseball-links.com

5 -
Yahoo : [baseball-reference.com...]
Google : www.baseballamerica.com/today/ <------- NOT THE SAME LINK!

6 -
Yahoo : [baseballamerica.com...]
Google : www.baseball-reference.com/ <------- NOT THE SAME LINK!

This means that Yahoo! is no longer using the live google index (www.google.com)

Another proof :

Yahoo! Canada is still using the LIVE google index.

Same search : baseball

Both have the same index.

[ca.google.yahoo.com...]

[google.com...]

bobriggs




msg:841719
 4:15 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

ScottM, were they on a Mac? The referer will show srd.yahoo.com instead of google.yahoo.com

I agree with Heini. Looks like the same results, except in the case of a clustered result on google, the second listing is dropped.

Server is still the same, google.yahoo.com. My hunch is they're sticking with google.

c1bernaught




msg:841720
 4:20 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)


So, if Yahoo! creates it's own index, those who have listed with Yahoo!, to provide better results in Google, will see a negative impact on their Google listed sites?

I don't have any Yahoo! listings, but was thinking about it purely because of what it could potentially do for my Google listed sites. If, in the future, Yahoo! "goes alone" does it still make sense to spend $300.00 on possibly getting a yahoo listing?

I realize this is all speculation.... I'm just trying to "view the many paths".

heini




msg:841721
 4:22 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yahoo has pages indexed by Google only yesterday.

The differences you're seeing may have to do with slightly different databases etc. There are several possibilities as to why Google serps slightly vary, like location etc.

RuglesHome




msg:841722
 4:23 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

nocarrier

That difference in the results could be a result of the classic Google Everflux.

I see my ranking change several times a day for some of my most important keywords.

I hope they keep google.

RuglesHome




msg:841723
 4:24 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Heini you beat me to it.

ScottM




msg:841724
 4:31 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Bob, no Mac here...IE6.

Logs showed 12 hits from "Yahoo" (http: //search.yahoo.com/search),
6 hits from Yahoo/Google, 100+ from Google.

My category is PURELY commercial. Never paid a dime to Yahoo.

I'll allow an error in my logs as a possibility, though.

NoCarrier




msg:841725
 4:34 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Heini wrote "Yahoo has pages indexed by Google only yesterday.
The differences you're seeing may have to do with slightly different databases etc. There are several possibilities as to why Google serps slightly vary, like location etc. "

Yes, I understand what you mean. I just find it really strange that since the google logo link (powered by google) changed to "Search Technology Provided by Google" on the web page matches for www.yahoo.com, that the index is also different (it's not the live results that's for sure).

And also that Yahoo! Canada wich STILL have the google logo (powered by google) is using the live google index.

john316




msg:841726
 4:40 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

If FAST got the deal, they are playing it close to the vest, no major volume or price spike trends.

FAST trading chart [ose.no]

NeedScripts




msg:841727
 4:44 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think I am missing something here.

I am not seeing any link to Google web site where it says "Search Technology Provided by Google" ?

NoCarrier




msg:841728
 4:44 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

john316 wrote : "If FAST got the deal, they are playing it close to the vest, no major volume or price spike trends."

LOL!? FAST!? I know there have been speculations and rumors about it, but we are talking about the google results now. I think that Yahoo! bought the google technology but they won't be using the live google results from google.com

Don't expect them to change to FAST.

ScottM




msg:841729
 4:45 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

NeedScripts:

There IS no LONGER a link...there USED to be one.

NeedScripts




msg:841730
 4:49 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Then what makes everybody so sure that there WILL be Google, where it USED to be?

bobriggs




msg:841731
 4:51 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, I'm not 100% sure. If there's going to be a switch, this might be temporary, to give Yahoo time to switch to FAST. Everyone was expecting this to be the day, however.

NoCarrier




msg:841732
 5:01 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

bobriggs wrote : "Well, I'm not 100% sure. If there's going to be a switch, this might be temporary, to give Yahoo time to switch to FAST. Everyone was expecting this to be the day, however."

What is it with all that FAST speculation!? It was only rumors. As you can see, the search results are still the google index. Although not from the live one. They modified the index so that when a site inside the index is also inside the Yahoo! directory it will display the Yahoo! description and also give the Yahoo! directory.

They *actually* made modifications to this index. If they were going to change partner in the near future, I really doubt they would've made those changes.

bobriggs




msg:841733
 5:06 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Let me modify my statement to a positive, rather than a negative. I'm 99.9% sure.

The only thing that's for sure is that mods have been made AND there's no link to google.com any more.

brotherhood of LAN




msg:841734
 5:24 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well it says power by "HP" here and the button links to yahoo shopping!

Macguru




msg:841735
 5:25 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>They *actually* made modifications to this index. If they were going to change partner in the near future, I really doubt they would've made those changes.

Hi and welcome to WebmasterWorld. [webmasterworld.com], NoCarrier.

Did you ever noticed before, some slight differences between Y!.ca, www2.sympatico (both feeding from Google) and the real Google index, in time? It could just be one of these...

Also, do you like poutine? ;)

NoCarrier




msg:841736
 5:35 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Hi and welcome to WebmasterWorld., NoCarrier"

Thanks :)

"Did you ever noticed before, some slight differences between Y!.ca, www2.sympatico (both feeding from Google) and the real Google index, in time?"

Actually no, I just verified and both are using the google results from (www.google.com). They also both have the Powered by google logo.

"Also, you like poutine?"

Hahaha.. Yeah. I like poutine. But once in a while only ;) Fries, cheese and gravy has a million calories I think :)

Hey! I just read your profile and you live in Montreal. LOL! Come on.. You also like Poutine I guess.

rubble88




msg:841737
 5:38 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Google logo is still in place on "web page matches" for:

Yahoo Asia
Yahoo Canada
Yahoo Australian/New Zealand
Yahoo U.K.
Reads "The results below are provided by the search engine Google and are not controlled by Yahoo"

Yahoo India
Yahoo France
Yahoo Singapore

Napoleon




msg:841738
 5:48 pm on Sep 1, 2002 (gmt 0)

The change in terminology there could well be the key, and on balance if I were betting I would bet on NoCarrier being right.

There are a few bit and bobs around that support this, other than just the change of phrase. For instance, the adding (without charge) of extra commercial sites to the Yahoo directory over the last few weeks.

I wondered about that. It could be they were bolstering their directory in the areas they thought it was weak (the new sites certainly did that).

I would also improve the odds now of TWO providers: Google providing the 'technology' for ranking the directory pages; another SE providing the backfills (Ink/FAST/Google).

Either way, it looks to me like the chances of Google still having some presence in the Yahoo camp are higher than they were yesterday.

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