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I'm confused with Yahoo
Rank #1 in Google and MSN
kensav




msg:845084
 6:39 am on Jun 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

I rank #1 and #4 in Google and #1 in MSN for a current event and am getting bombarded with hits but I'm only #33 in Yahoo.

What's up with that?

How can I improve some Yahoo spots?

 

annej




msg:845085
 4:30 am on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

My site is in a simular situation I guess there just isn't much interest in analyzing how to rank better in Yahoo.

I wonder if there is a way to find out how many people use Yahoo compared to Google.

andrewshim




msg:845086
 5:27 am on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

kensav...

welcome to the wonderful world of Yahoo!
I've come to refer to Y!'s serps as the "YahooYoYo!"

Buuuut, the fact is... Y! gives me very targetted traffic, so I need to give it my attention while I climb up G!

kensav




msg:845087
 1:19 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I jumped up in Yahoo to #3 for 3 days and now I'm back down to 50+ in results. I hadn't changed the content and nothing changed as far as where links came from.

Any quick ways to boost it back up?

I'm trying to get a few links from other sites and buying some textlink ads on relevant sites to increase traffic and ranking. We'll see if that helps.

The traffic was amazing when I was on top for a few days.

Liane




msg:845088
 1:55 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I can't be bothered with Yahoo for anything! I can't believe anyone still uses it for any serious searches!

I just did a search for a very popular, 3 word search. Five out of the first ten results were absolute garbage.

The first 4 results at least had something to do with the term requested. (Two of my pages happened to be numbers 2 & 3.

The 5th result was full of nonsensical jibberish written in the form of paragraphs with keywords thrown into the mix and of course, "ads by Google"!

The 6th result was a page which redirected to a "business strategies solution provider". Oh yeah ... that's helpful!

The 7th & 8th results were more "ads by Google" scam/spam pages.

The 9th result actually had to do with the search.

The 10th result was yet another nonsensical jibberish page but this time, they did away with paragraphs altogether. Just badly spelled sentences meaning nothing with keywords thrown into the mix and naturally, "ads by Google thrown in.

If Yahoo is still a search engine ... it is one of the worst out there!

kensav




msg:845089
 2:06 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Should I tell that to the 11,000+ referrers I got in just a few days from Y!

andrewshim




msg:845090
 2:19 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

wow! kensav...
may we know what your key phrase was that got the 11,000 visits?
I know what you mean... the #1 site in my category is definitely hand coded. I've been #2 a couple of times for a few days, then kicked to page #2 for a couple of weeks before the cycle repeats (that's what I call the YahooYoYo).

many people who get good traffic from google seem to forget that they were once newbies too and come here and talk down to us who NEED to rely on Yahoo while we build our traffic.

there are many who get really targetted traffic from Y!'s far from perfect but so is G! We take what we can get!

Liane




msg:845091
 2:32 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am not talking down to anybody! I am just disgusted with Yahoo results and as a result, I don't even consider Yahoo to be of importance. I optimize for Google and MSN and if I get Yahoo traffic, then great!

kensav




msg:845092
 3:07 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

cool Liane no problem

kensav




msg:845093
 3:09 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

how exactly do you optimize for Google and MSN specifically?

other than the basic SEo techniques I dont know how else to optimize for like MSN other than that Blogspot exploit I hear about alot.

Liane




msg:845094
 3:15 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Find a page within your site which is doing relatively well in Google and MSN and try to clone the same properties and characteristics.

annej




msg:845095
 4:25 pm on Jun 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've basically ignored Yahoo for some time but I have the impression that a lot more people use Yahoo than use MSN and if this is true I am losing visitors as MSN does far better for me. So I thought I'd better take another look at Yahoo.

Maybe it's the yoyo thing that keeps people from analyzing Yahoo to find ways to do better. If it's that erratic it would be hard to find any trends.

andrewshim




msg:845096
 12:09 am on Jun 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

LOL!

That was quick Liane! You're passionately disgusted with Y! the same way I'm passionately jealous of all you guys with the nice Google traffic! ; )

As of today, G!'s sent me 36 referrals... that's 1.#*$! perday! But Y!'s sending me approx 100 referrals a day .... and I'm on page #3!

Liane




msg:845097
 3:36 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

andrewshwim ...

As of today, G!'s sent me 36 referrals... that's 1.#*$! perday! But Y!'s sending me approx 100 referrals a day .... and I'm on page #3!

That's because any searchers who still use Yahoo have to go to at least page three to get out from under all the spam on the first two pages! Really, I'm serious. Their results are just pathetic!

You might as well just click on the third or fourth page right from the get go and save yourself the time it takes to investigate all the pond scum which has risen to the top of the Y serps!

vite_rts




msg:845098
 3:51 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Andrew,

You and Ken appear to be Yahoo wiz's , can you tell me,

1, is content the top item

2, relevant links the main thing

3, does yahoo ignore reciprocal links, that is my sites are not authority sites, an one way links are probable gonna be non existent for a while

cheers

gregbo




msg:845099
 8:12 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

I wonder if there is a way to find out how many people use Yahoo compared to Google.

There are lots of studies, most of which show Google is far ahead of Yahoo in terms of the number of queries and of individual users.

Personally, I have noticed less index trouble in Yahoo than Google over the past few months, for the types of information I typically search for.

andrewshim




msg:845100
 10:38 pm on Jun 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

vite_rts,

I'm far from an authority on Y! but mebbe my experience might help you out :

Over the past six months, I've tried recip links and relevant links. In both cases, I was still bouncing around in the serps with every update. The #1 site in my category seems hand-coded and never moves (filled with cloaked affiliate links)... go figger!

Mebbe co-incidence but I have since stopped recip linking and my position seems to have stabilized (fingers crosses). I slowly cut off all the non-link-back recips, then the small categories and finally, the non relevant links. From now on, I will be VERY selective with recip linking.

What I HAVE done is make sure I add original content 3 times a week. And article marketing. This is a VERY good thing...

Just a thought Liane... are you from UK? .co.uk's results are far far from OK and if you're from there I can understand your comments. My category contains lots of "spam" too, but when I consider things objectively, these sites ARE following mainstream SEO methods (and they are good at it).

Soooo.... do I know Yahoo? Heck, no... I don't even understand my wife sometimes... and we work together at home all day!

In closing... here's my strategy for Y!... nothing! Just concentrate on making my site the best that it can be and keep adding content.

Cheers

vite_rts




msg:845101
 12:45 am on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks Andrew

Methinks i'll save up for a top, directory listing like,,, Yahoo,, an sigh, ,, research the content, to the customers contentment :)

kensav




msg:845102
 4:59 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

my Yahoo, Dmoz or google directory links I dont think did me as good as the focused content and decent links from related sites. With Google I think its all backlinks and links from higher PR sites. With Yahoo it seems like content is more important. The more the better for you particular subject per article.

abacuss




msg:845103
 6:40 am on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

First of all Yahoo accounts as the second best search engine after Google and before MSN, so i think Yahoo is still considered to be a relevant search engine.

Secondly, content is not all they are looking for because my site is having a well written content with many articles to support it. It ranks 3 for the keyword in Yahoo but only the home page is indexed.When I do a site:www.domain.com all the pages are reflected in Google and MSN but not in Yahoo.. must be some kind of a problem.My site is even updated on a regular basis.

zeus




msg:845104
 8:35 am on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Its not worth it to concentrate on yahoo, they just dont have a quality SE and you can also risk to get baned for nothing if you are in a IP block, then you have waisted you time to rank good on a SE which dont recieve much attention, they are THE search engine that has baned most sites manualy in the SE market.

kensav




msg:845105
 4:47 pm on Jul 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

well I can ignore Yahoo traffic because it generates a large ammount of hits for me to my site.

Strangely enough one of my sites ranks extremely high (#5 in Yahoo) for a competetive term and the link point to a default about us page for a Wordpress script. Seems Yahoo just likes the domain name and nothing on this particular page has to do with the search term.

Odd!

abacuss




msg:845106
 11:04 am on Jul 5, 2006 (gmt 0)

There are many things odd about yahoo.. i have a site ranking 5 for a particular keyword. But the funniest part is it never ranked for the targetted term but other related keywords.

extranjero




msg:845107
 12:58 am on Jul 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

With about 7.500 unique daily visitors on one of my pages, I get only about 20 from Yahoo, but about 4.000 from Google.
The positions are no as good in Yahoo like in Google but mostly the site appears also in the first ten since I prohibited to view the Yahoo bots the Google Adsense ads and I did this because in Yahoo Images, Yahoo also doesn't show the Google adsense ads ...

piatkow




msg:3005466
 12:34 pm on Jul 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have given up trying to understand why different search engines give such different results for the same arguement.

One of the key arguements for my site comes number 3 in Yahoo but I get **** all traffic from it. In G it is not in the first 100 unless quoted at which point it comes out top.

From that I deduce that Y pays attention or word ordering while G doesn't. I just wish more punters would use Yahoo as your typical casual web surfer is unlikely to use "advanced" search capabilities.

gregbo




msg:3006035
 7:50 pm on Jul 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

From that I deduce that Y pays attention or word ordering while G doesn't. I just wish more punters would use Yahoo as your typical casual web surfer is unlikely to use "advanced" search capabilities.

I've generally gotten much better results using advanced search, even in the face of index pushes, etc. It's too bad the engines don't play up the power of advanced search.

abacuss




msg:3009028
 7:49 am on Jul 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

There is always a kind of problem for Yahoo. For some sites you get ranked well for keyword and for some you rank at the bottom.

Its pretty difficult to understand the algo running behind it though its the same for almost all the major search engines. But still an educated guess can make a better ranking posible.

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