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crobb305




msg:841900
 5:21 pm on Jun 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

On some sites, the site: search brings up the homepage only. This is normally a sign of a ban. What if most of the pages are listed, but with url only?

 

Webdetective




msg:841930
 8:42 pm on Jun 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

crobb,
How did you know it was a yahoo editor's IP number?

Which of the 3 search engines - Google, Yahoo, and MSN has overall produced the best sales conversions for you? Can an affiliate site do extremely well without Yahoo?

In your opinion, is being banned from Yahoo for the reason you sited, sufficient reason to abandon a domain and start fresh with a new one? I invested a lot of time into mine, and it is the perfect domain for what my site is about, so I'm very reluctant to throw it away at this point.

crobb305




msg:841931
 12:45 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Webdetective,

It was just logfile scrutinizing. My stats program shows me the location of my visitors (sunnyvale for Y) and further digging reveals the time/ip, etc; these visits correspond to my reinclusion requests.

It's not fair that they will ban a site simply because it has an affiliate link or two. Futhermore, Google seems to treat sites like this much more objectively. I have had the best results with G and M, completely ignoring Y.

I believe in Karma and Yahoo don't treat webmasters very well. Sure, I get the calls from YPN asking how I am doing, but I always say the same thing "Yahoo Search banned my site, so it's not going very well".

Isn't it funny that a site can be accepted into the directory, sponsor a category ($100 a month for 5 years), and get accepted into YPN Beta, but NOT appear in the serps because some search guy "banned" the site. Double standards and very rude.

Webdetective




msg:841932
 12:58 am on Jun 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

Crobb,
Yahoo is however very easy to get traffic from, like MSN, if you're not banned. Yahoo produced 90% of my traffic and websales last year, which is why I am not taking this loss well.

I have nothing but praise for MSN. Although they are still very small, they have been very good to me, quite the opposite of Yahoo. Google is indeed very reasonable but difficult to get traffic from due to heavy competition and their infrequent SERPs updates.

A friend recently told me most of the people who search Yahoo are kids looking for freebees.

For webstats, I use free axs tracking. I think it can reveal that kind of information about hits.

megasys




msg:841933
 6:55 am on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Is there any way we can list back on Yahoo once banned?

Problem mentioned here is what exactly happening with my sites and around 60 sites banned at one go (hosted on same server) but there are 20 more which are not banned.

All good positions are being taken over by JUNK/Blog Comment/Blog results only.

Now I dont know what Y! is planning but IM loosing hope day by day.

crobb305




msg:841934
 4:48 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have never seen so much junk in Yahoo. Loads of spammy subdomains and blog spam. It is so sad and unfortunate that they couldn't see the forest because of all the trees. They have spent the past 3 years banning borderline websites because of having an affiliate link or two while new levels of spam were in the making.

Sad situation.

Webdetective




msg:841935
 5:54 pm on Jul 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe it's time to follow suit and do that same since that what works with Yahoo. Getting links is the only tough part.

I'm hoping MSN will overtake Yahoo. MSN has been very good to me this year.

tonmaster




msg:3000921
 10:23 am on Jul 10, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am experiencing the same issues with my clients!

There are a couple of sites that have only the index page
listed in yahoo! search which checking with the site: command.

I have also noticed other sites with strange behaviour,
where the domain name is not the first position that
shows up when checking using site: which is strange since
they are the pages that have the most "strength" caused
by link popularity.

Those sites used to rank well at yahoo! search and suddenly they dropped.

I sure wish some yahoo! representative could explain their acts.

Webdetective




msg:3013952
 3:20 am on Jul 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo is just now doing something really weird.

It seems 2 of my domains that were banned and completely removed from the Yahoo index last year, are suddenly back in the yahoo index, although just the homepage only.

One with full title, description and cache of homepage, and the other with homepage URL only.

If I lost Yahoo with my good site, I wonder how hard it might be to make up for the loss with MSN?

Webdetective




msg:3014734
 5:11 pm on Jul 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am just now seeing something that might be a positive development.

Yahoo might be in the process of removing their penalty from my website. Upon checking site:www..., I see for the first time in a year, another page other than my homepage is appearing in the yahoo index complete with full Title, description and cache. Also some of my dead links have been cleared. I hope this positive trend continues.

It appears Yahoo may be lifting the ban on another one of my domains. Homepage title with description and cache is back for that one, where it was completely banned before.

randle




msg:3014873
 6:52 pm on Jul 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

another page other than my homepage is appearing in the yahoo index complete with full Title, description and cache.

Thats an excellent sign.

crobb305




msg:3014887
 7:01 pm on Jul 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Webdetective,

Yahoo is showing 130 urls associated with my site, on the site: search.

The homepage is listed first, with it's directory title. Then the internal urls are listed URL only. Many (over 50%) of the urls listed are phony and contain nonsense query strings.

In reality, my site only has 38 pages. So, I am not sure why Yahoo indexes it this way. What puzzles me is the fact that more than just the homepage is listed. Normally, with a "ban", only the homepage is indexed. But, Yahoo has listed my site this way for over a year.

C

Webdetective




msg:3024895
 9:08 pm on Jul 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thats an excellent sign.

Randle,
However 2 days later the Yahoo index bounced back to an older index of my site with only my homepage fully indexed and cached, also an older version of my homepage, and including all the dead links. A week after that, my homepage link was finally updated to reflect it's current title and description. I'm right back to where I began, Nothing gained.

At this point I wonder if I should consider calling Yahoo on the phone to inquire about the status of my website. I found their corporate phone number and address in CA.

Crobb,
My site currently has about 157 pages including my blog pages. A Yahoo site:www search currently shows 234 links, most of which are to old scraper pages I removed a year ago, before the Yahoo penalty occurred. 90% of these site: links get a 404 Not Found error since the pages don't exist, yet Yahoo hasn't removed them from their index.

[edited by: Webdetective at 9:14 pm (utc) on July 27, 2006]

kanetrain




msg:3025398
 6:02 am on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing the homepage only (url for all others) too. This is the most non-spammy site... there is absolutely no reason for a penalty.
So confused....

RobinK




msg:3025890
 3:03 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

When you have a penalty from Yahoo do pages slowly disappear, or do they go url only? Does Yahoo still crawl the site when you are penalized?

crobb305




msg:3026289
 6:53 pm on Jul 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

These points may all be moot. As Yahoo share values fall, they continue to treat us like crap, banning sites, and providing shoddy results. So, not only do they alienate webmasters, they run off disgruntled searchers. We (webmasters) are the very ones who will make them money by purchasing advertising (if we trust them and want to work with them). The searchers make them even more money by clicking on the ads (if they provide decent search results, making the users want to continue using Yahoo). So, it all boils down to trust. Unfortunately, Yahoo has been arrogant and greedy, and they have failed to build trust through quality, fairness and support.

Meanwhile, over in the Google and MSN forums, they have representatives working with us, and communicating. They are taking our reports, listening to what we have to say (even via sticky mail), and making their search better. Their market shares will continue to expand.

How funny is this: they accepted me into YPN and then banned my site. LOL. How do they expect to make their investors any money with this philosophy? No traffic = NO YPN clicks (Well the site gets traffic, but it comes from other search engines. Do you think I am gonna keep the YPN banners up?)

Yahoo, keep banning sites and ignoring us. It may not matter too much a year from now.

Go Karma!

WebPixie




msg:3027582
 11:01 pm on Jul 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have a couple sites that are experiencing the same trouble with less than 2% of the actual pages showing as indexed and of the pages Yahoo is showing all but a handful are URL only.

I admit I have not responded professionly to this issue. After going over my site looking for violations of Yahoo's guidelines(again) and finding nothing(again); I quit worrying about it. I know I should try and contact a person and work to restore my ranking with Yahoo but at this point I'm sick of it and feel my time is better spent focusing on G and MSN(and ASK for that matter, I'm that over it).

In the last year my main site has been anywhere from 4th to not in the top 1,000 in a lucrative market. Yahoo has at different times shown 1 page as indexed and other times well over 10k pages. I suppose sooner or later I'll have another shot at fixing the issue if it doesn't fix itself, but for now I'm spending my time in other ways.

[edited by: WebPixie at 11:05 pm (utc) on July 29, 2006]

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