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May 11, 2006: Yahoo Update?
Yahoo Results Bouncing Back and Forth
RobinK




msg:822373
 3:38 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I went to check some keywords and ranking in yahoo and I am seeing yahoo bounce back and forth between two sets of results. Anyone else seeing this?

 

MLHmptn




msg:822374
 10:18 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

The SERP's I monitor appear to have been shaken up for the better. Also has anybody noticed that Yahoo is crawling like mad now? Yesterday I received 4871 hits from the 68.142.230.186 spider, not to mention all the other IP's that are now Yahoo spiders. Yahoo is up to something and hopefully it is for the better. Also I have noticed the cache updates being refreshed alot quicker than they used to be. I don't know if this is just because my site has gained popularity or what.

New SERP's....Good or Bad? Feedback always welcomed. :>~

RobinK




msg:822375
 1:04 am on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am still seeing two sets bounce back and forth all day. One is basically the same as where we have been (I haven't seen any differences in that one at least), but the other we show a lot of improvement on.

By checking out the cache's I can see that where we do better on is the one with the more updated cache so I am hopeful that is where it will end up.

BillyS




msg:822376
 1:04 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yesterday I saw a big jump in traffic. I thought it was due to improvements in position with Google. I checked my logs this morning and it looks like Yahoo was leading the way.

F_Rose




msg:822377
 1:19 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

Our site is bouncing back and forth as well, our keywords are ranking better, I really hope Yahoo will start indexing sites more often, give better results to the end user.

I am fed up with Google hopefully Y moves to the top and we all say goodbye to Google.

arubicus




msg:822378
 3:05 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I noticed you posted in the google forum F_Rose. We are in the same position. I did notice Yahoo australia was showing one set of SERPS early this morning that we were seeing yesterday. Other than that I don't see as much bouncing on yahoo right now but that could be just me.

angiolo




msg:822379
 3:14 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

From Italy it's difficult to see the new serp.
It's necessary to use an nonymizer software but in these days it doesn't work....

RobinK




msg:822380
 5:53 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also see some good results on Yahoo Australia. Very similar to some of the ones on regular yahoo I saw yesterday.

Does anyone know about Yahoo and if there is a possibility of what I see on yahoo Australia right now eventually showing on regular yahoo?

I have just never paid any attenion before to know if yahoo shows updates quicker there or if we are just going to rank better on yahoo Australia.

RobinK




msg:822381
 8:10 pm on May 12, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just checked yahoo in several other countries and we do better in all of them on some keywords than we do yahoo us.

Anyone know why that would be?

andrewshim




msg:822382
 2:49 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Actually, since early April, sites have started to "bounce" all over the serps. Yahoo! has been using "improved indexing technology" which has lots of changes :

- all "view as xml" and "add to myYahoo" links have been removed from the listings.
- some sites have dropped or removed totally from the serps.
- many sites are still bouncing in an out of the top 20
- some site which have long been "out" of the serps have suddenly floated back to the top 10.

No, as far as i know, (based on Y! official Search Blog) there's no update on may 11. The update started early April and hasn't ended! Yahoo!'s just being Yahoo - going round in circles and doing the "hokey pokey".

crobb305




msg:822383
 4:36 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

andrewshim,

You post a set of events that are very similar to what I am experiencing. The site has been losing 2 to 4 pages a day from the index. In a site: search the homepage has sunk to the bottom.

Have you observed or heard of people going through this and pages coming back after disappearing slowly?

wordy




msg:822384
 6:34 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

RobinK

There are 2 different DBs

The pure SERPS are on Alltheweb and Altavista. Y! then takes these and blends a subdomain penalty and promotes YSM! search partner sites to produce the Y! SERPS.

Been happening for 5 months, IMHO

Nothing to do with Alltheweb's live search which is Y! SERPS with a few bells and whistles!

RobinK




msg:822385
 8:17 pm on May 13, 2006 (gmt 0)

Okay so we rank almost exactly the same on alltheweb, altavista, and regular yahoo on several keywords or phrases (top 20). But we rank higher on the international yahoo's for some reason for those same keywords and phrases. I still am not understanding why.

Maybe it has always been that way, I never paid much attention before. Site has been around for seven plus years, white hat, no sub domains.

tictoc




msg:822386
 10:15 am on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo!'s just being Yahoo - going round in circles and doing the "hokey pokey".

More like the hokey pokey cinco de mayo marcarena dance all put in one.. LOL

tictoc




msg:822387
 10:17 am on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

The pure SERPS are on Alltheweb and Altavista. Y! then takes these and blends a subdomain penalty and promotes YSM! search partner sites to produce the Y! SERPS.

Are you saying that Y takes sites with a subdomain penalty to compete with the top sites.

RobinK




msg:822388
 2:06 pm on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am curious too what he is referring too.

I wondered if he was saying that sites may do well on the international yahoos, alta vista, and alltheweb but not as well on regular yahoo and because that is where they put in subdomain penalties.

But we have no subdomains and regular yahoo results are almost exactly the same as alltheweb and altavista. We just see some higher rankings for keywords on the international ones.

Not that it is a huge change on the international but our site may go from number 5 or 6 to number 1 or 2, or from page two to page one. But they would be big enough changes to make a difference in traffic.

andrewshim




msg:822389
 10:19 pm on May 14, 2006 (gmt 0)

seems to explain why my site keeps bouncing between #22 and #6 every week or so. i spend about 3 days on page one then about 5 days or so on page three, then back again... it's what i've come to call the Yahoo! Yo-Yo... Doesn't do my site any good.

i do notice that the page three description always refects a cache that's about 5 to 10 days old.

andrewshim




msg:822390
 7:30 am on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

[There are 2 different DBs

The pure SERPS are on Alltheweb and Altavista. Y! then takes these and blends a subdomain penalty and promotes YSM! search partner sites to produce the Y! SERPS.

Been happening for 5 months, IMHO ]

wordy...
care to elaborate on how you got to know this please?
does this mean that we should target our efforts at alltheweb and altavista and it will be reflected in Y!?

wordy




msg:822391
 4:46 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

RobinK,

This is not really an observation about International vs. Regional Yahoos!

andrewshim,

Using keyword tracking software, I often see visitors arriving from page 1 of Yahoo! SERPS, however when using reverse look up, the page is not there. If I do the same search on AV or ATW, the page is always on page 1.

It looks like Yahoo! takes the AV/ATW SERPS and applies additional filters such as a subdomain penalty (if you use subdomains) or a boost if in the Y! Directory. Occasionally the AV/ATW SERPS appear on Y!

wordy




msg:822392
 4:47 pm on May 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

RobinK,

This is not really an observation about International vs. Regional Yahoos!

andrewshim,

Using keyword tracking software, I often see visitors arriving from page 1 of Yahoo! SERPS, however when using reverse look up, the page is not there. If I do the same search on AV or ATW, the page is always on page 1.

It looks like Yahoo! takes the AV/ATW SERPS and applies additional filters such as a subdomain penalty (if you use subdomains) or a boost if in the Y! Directory. Occasionally the AV/ATW SERPS appear on Y!

andrewshim




msg:822393
 6:00 am on May 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

Funny, i'm down again at page #3. From the description on this page, the cache is 5 to 10 days old.

However, if the cycle goes according to plan, what i'll see in the next few days is that my site will suddenly jump back to page #1 at a higher place... what i mean is :

First time it happened, i was #23, then came back to #10;
Second time i was #22, then came back at #6;
Third time from #21 back to #5;

We'll see what happens next... go figger!

Can anyone throw some light into my dark Yahoo! Yo-yo ride?

mboydnv




msg:822394
 3:40 am on May 18, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm in and out of the top 10 every 10 minutes...

I'm wondering if you check the results over and over, if the engine shows diff results becuase of same IP in a short time refreshing results?

abacuss




msg:822395
 7:58 am on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo is reindexing .. after this short stint they are probably looking for good results and definately want to compete with google. After the BigDaddy hiccup they should try to consolidate their position.

andrewshim




msg:822396
 9:49 am on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

me wonder... mebbe Y! has someone watching this forum and everytime someone says they climbed a couple of places, they track down their sites and take them down a couple of pegs...

that could explain why i just dropped ten places again after my last comment at
[webmasterworld.com...]

hmmmmm.... conspiracy theory

artdog




msg:822397
 3:39 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

If this were true, and I've not idea, then it my not be a good idea to show one's homepage in the profile.

RichTC




msg:822398
 4:35 pm on May 19, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just looking at Yahoo UK results now and they are a real mess - cant tell what they have done. The results were at least relevent to the search string before. Now they are all over the place.

I can only assume they will roll them back - these results cant be for real.

Rich

andrewshim




msg:822399
 12:15 am on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

well, what gave me that "conspiracy theory" idea was matt cutt's "unofficial Google forum".

the latest post confirmed that G! does have people visiting this forum (we all know they do daily) to gauge our feedback on their search issues. from the examples he stated in his latest post, i imagine they do check out the profile and investigate to confirm if there IS a problem with their algos.

now i gotta set things clear : i don't believe Y! would check out this forum to look for sites in our profile.

(Yahoo! is too good to do that. Yahoo! is good. Yahoo! is the best search engine there is. Yahoo! has reeeeeeallly nice folks working there. The guy / gal who visits this forum is reeeeallly sweet!)

There... all said and done.... just in case ; )

andrewshim




msg:822400
 4:37 am on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes Rich,

some forums have mentioned that Y! has been spidering feverishly lately to add to their index and as they do, they've been lifting a number of filters (i hope it's just to test), which would explain why sites are bouncing all over the place. also would explain why some sites we have not seen for some time have suddenly floated back to the top again.

now... nobody's answered these 2 questions :

how can a site with absolutely NO relevance in a category with NO keyword (not even one) rank at #4?

how can a site that has not been updated for months still rank at #1 with absolutely NO change or bouncing around while ALL other sites are yo-yoing?

go figger.

marketingmagic




msg:822401
 1:13 pm on May 20, 2006 (gmt 0)

Results for me were bouncing all over yesterday. Different results when clearing cookies etc... and then rebooting. Different results on different PCs. Still doing it this morning. Different results on my lappie then on my desktop. Not sure if they are trying some sort of cookie based testing or what. It's still not stable enough to say what's going on.

But looks like on the lappie the results are cleaner, less duplication of domains, less subdomain crap, etc.

About time they shook the tree.

Dayo_UK




msg:822402
 9:01 am on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, something seems to be up since about Thursday afternoon/evening.

If you look at the Yahoo update history - changes do tend to happen around the 18th-25th of the month. Normally takes a few days to settle down.....

(Results seem to be a bit poor at the moment as Rich say - hopefully things will improve again when settled down - there is normally a DC, or a set of results, which has lots of pages missing - I cant seem to access it at the moment - but I wonder if it fits in with what marketingmagic has seen)

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