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May 11, 2006: Yahoo Update?
Yahoo Results Bouncing Back and Forth
RobinK

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Msg#: 3996 posted 3:38 pm on May 11, 2006 (gmt 0)

I went to check some keywords and ranking in yahoo and I am seeing yahoo bounce back and forth between two sets of results. Anyone else seeing this?

 

mboydnv

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Msg#: 3996 posted 6:38 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Definately some IP or cookie tracking when refreshing results.....

webboy1

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Msg#: 3996 posted 6:48 pm on May 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interesting to read this thread. I've just been on yahoo to see if there has been any change in position of some of our pages after a few weeks of site SEO updates.

What I have found is that Y! seems to once again have cached older versions of our site. We did a massive update several months back and changed our site from .html to .php (we had no choice in this ... it had to be done). We used 301's to redirect old pages to new and everything worked fine. Google, Y! and MSN all cleared out our old pages and re-indexed our new pages.

Now Y! seems to have re-included old non-existant pages, making it look like it's bounced back to an old instance of itself.

Very strange.

petehall

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Msg#: 3996 posted 6:13 pm on May 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Has there been an update today?

Some searches are all over the place.

whitenight

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Msg#: 3996 posted 9:46 pm on May 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing craziness for my keywords as well.

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3996 posted 10:18 pm on May 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

my site's been bouncing for nearly 2 months now!
here's why i think it is :

[webmasterworld.com...]

petehall

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Msg#: 3996 posted 3:16 pm on May 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just looking at Yahoo UK results now and they are a real mess - cant tell what they have done. The results were at least relevent to the search string before. Now they are all over the place.
I can only assume they will roll them back - these results cant be for real.

I'll second that!

Search engines are really starting to annoy me now...

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 3996 posted 4:34 pm on May 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, looks like the poor results are here to stay now - been here since Thursday afternoon by the looks of it.

Poor show Yahoo - previously, you were getting things pretty much spot on.

randle

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Msg#: 3996 posted 4:53 pm on May 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

For our areas its been a significant improvement, and I give them a lot of credit for the approach their taking now.

webboy1

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Msg#: 3996 posted 7:14 pm on May 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi Randle,

I'm not actually against what there doing. It's just a bit strange ... even verging on the slightly un-proffessional. Surely if they are re-building there index then doing it on a test server in the background would have been the better option.

Anyway, what's happening is happening. If it is happening for the sake of improvement then I'm more than happy to wait on the outcome. We are still appearing in the listings ... its just all a little strange.

The world of SEO ... who would choose it! ha ha ha! Just when Google seems to have calmed down slightly, MSN and Yahoo go nuts!

crobb305

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Msg#: 3996 posted 7:21 pm on May 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Whatever is going on, there is no consistency. An entirely different index is appearing on alltheweb and altavista.

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3996 posted 10:42 pm on May 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

According to my description on their serps, the cache is 10 days old.

I think they're definitely working on something in the background... and while they do it, they're just putting up a 'temporary' index.

textex

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Msg#: 3996 posted 12:25 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have been reading this thread from the beginning. I have noticed the regular fluxing of sites 1 -3 positions. I have not been able to duplicate any drastic changes in SERPS.

I am in New York. I have a friend in California. I called up my firend and asked them to do some searches...they got very different results from me.

wordy

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Msg#: 3996 posted 7:01 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

"An entirely different index is appearing on alltheweb and altavista."

Agreed, although Yahoo! UK appears a lot more closely aligned to AV and ATW SERPS. First noticed this last Friday.

Vimes

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Msg#: 3996 posted 9:08 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Something that I saw late last night that might explain the mixed SERP's is a site that has been banned since the inktomi spider started magically appear in the top 5 for a very competitive Search term.

Still only had the homepage listing in the indices but for about an hour it was doing well, then Y must have filtered it out or changed the dc back.

Might explain the terrible serps that some people are seeing, the sector I look at daily Iím not seeing such a bad job.

Vimes.

RichTC

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Msg#: 3996 posted 9:13 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

You just have to laugh

With Google missing pages and msn still a Joke what do Yahoo do - change their serps to ensure they remain just as poor at a time when users were starting to change over to them due to them possibly having the best search results on the net.

Its amazing, the serps were previously very relevent to the search string, now its just a mixed up anything goes set of results.

Just when they were starting to look very effective

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3996 posted 10:21 am on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

LOL! You got it right Rich!
Was just at another forum where I read this : "Yahoo does not have a sandbox"...

When I look at what's happenin' right now, I think they've got more than just a sandbox at Yahoo!... they've probably got a jacuzzi, wading pool, a mini bar under a fountain and mebbe a pool table! They're probably thinking everybody's having as much fun as them at the office so nobody's gonna be bothered about something as boring as serps.... LOL LOL LOL!

thecityofgold2005

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Msg#: 3996 posted 12:18 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Definitiely a big change in Yahoo UK serps in recent days..

There seems to be less emphasis on age and, I am sorry to say it, more spammy sites. For instance having several similar sites and linking them all together seems to be working very well..

The new homepage looks pretty though!

petehall

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Msg#: 3996 posted 2:11 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I actually think something went wrong with the update, as I'm seeing some really strange (often old / non-existent) pages out rank pre-update pages.

One thing is for sure... with nothing much happening with the update front on Google I've been spending more of my time on MSN & Yahoo!

andrewshim

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Msg#: 3996 posted 2:37 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

yes... after the second round of updates in late April (which led to the May 11 shakeup), I checked all the sites in the top ten. One of the things they had in common was age. Many of these site were just scraper sites.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 3996 posted 3:31 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>>>Definitiely a big change in Yahoo UK serps in recent days..

Yes.

Yahoo.com results seem to remain pretty good.
Yahoo.co.uk results are poor and untargeted (even when searching on world search which should be the same as .com?)
Alltheweb and Altavista have the poor untargeted serps which are pretty much indentical to yahoo.co.uk

Or so it seems at the moment.

crobb305

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Msg#: 3996 posted 6:21 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo.com results seem to remain pretty good.
Yahoo.co.uk results are poor and untargeted (even when searching on world search which should be the same as .com?)
Alltheweb and Altavista have the poor untargeted serps which are pretty much indentical to yahoo.co.uk

My observation exactly. I just don't understand what is taking Y so long to get updates moved to other portals and datacenters, like ATW, AV, and Yahoo UK.

textex

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Msg#: 3996 posted 7:13 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see the opposite.

Yahoo.com looks good and is showing on AV an AllTheWeb and CNN.

crobb305

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Msg#: 3996 posted 7:58 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo.com looks good and is showing on AV an AllTheWeb and CNN.

Maybe your searches are different from the ones we are looking at.

textex

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Msg#: 3996 posted 8:34 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

I see it now....thanks for the examples crobb.

crobb305

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Msg#: 3996 posted 10:11 pm on May 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

textex,

no problem. Some of the differences are subtle, but they are significant enough in some niches to make you wonder what is up.

The differences and inconsistencies have been there for over a week now.

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 3996 posted 8:28 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Well thanks to Yahoo for giving us UK lot the cr@p serps.

>>>>>My observation exactly. I just don't understand what is taking Y so long to get updates moved to other portals and datacenters, like ATW, AV, and Yahoo UK.

Lets just hope it is the .com serps that will win.

RichTC

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Msg#: 3996 posted 8:35 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Just when they had it right they go and create a mess

Perhaps they think it will help with their pay per click side and it will some how push up ad revenues?.

Frankly, they should roll this back, i cant see any point in fixing something that wasnt previously broke - whats the point?

All they needed to do was add new sites into the mix as they come of age.

Currently im genuinely trying to find any site listed in the SERPS thats even remotely relevent to the search string in the sectors we work on, at first i thought Yahoo had an error and they would notice the problem - however, it looks like these serps are staying!

Yet again, Google have nothing to worry about with weak alternatives.

angiolo

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Msg#: 3996 posted 9:28 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo UK results are fine for me...
They seems the same as Yahoo.com USA.

In Yahoo UK I get the same results I get on Yahoo.com when I load on it usining an Anonymizer; in fact from here ( Italy ) yahoo.com gives me "old" results; to get new results I must download using an anonymizer....

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 3996 posted 9:42 am on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hmmz

OK, I have UK website (although hosted in Germany)

Get the following results on a whole web search on the following Yahoos for a some keywords I target.

Yahoo.com Pos 1.
Yahoo.it Pos 1.
Yahoo.fr Pos 1.
Yahoo.ca Pos 2.
Yahoo.co.uk Pos 20.
Yahoo Australia Pos 1
Yahoo Japan Pos 20

Serves me right for having a UK site targetting the UK I guess. But the UK results (and Japanese?) are really very poor results it seems. (as in they look a bit random as far as keyword matching etc)

You would have thought that with Google having 80% UK market share that Yahoo would try and get a bit of that by providing good results - but it seems they have chucked the bad results at the UK.

lqsharp

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Msg#: 3996 posted 12:37 pm on May 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

This might explain something.
[ysearchblog.com...]

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 3996 posted 7:57 am on May 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

The poor/unfiltered? results seem to have made it to yahoo.com - good results still on the odd regional like Yahoo.it, Yahoo.fr?

Some of the things I have noticed so far for future work by us/Yahoo:-

- The untargted pages from sites outranking the target page, eg the page linking with the anchor text ranks above the internal page. (Shame as this works perfectly on Yahoo.it/fr)

- Title tag devalued.

- random occurences of the keywords throughout the page is better than near phrase matching.

If these stay pretty much ends Yahoo as being a useful search engine for me - but who knows with Yahoo - but as .com has followed co.uk - it looks like the bad results are the future now.

I wonder if it is some Over Optimization Penalty Yahoo are trying - all it has really done has removed the most relevant searches from what I can see - hmmmz - oh well lets hope the update is still being rolled out and not all factors are in yet.

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