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Yahoo Update!
We see some movement
textex




msg:837274
 12:17 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Update? ANyone else see this?

 

martinibuster




msg:837275
 8:18 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I do see some changes.

rustybrick




msg:837276
 8:22 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo Search Blog confirms update.

kneukm03




msg:837277
 10:09 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes, and they also stated they are speeding up the rate of updates with a new indexing system. A very good move - if they can keep updates on at least a once a month schedule I think that will make them much more competitive with the other two engines on that metric.

RichTC




msg:837278
 10:25 pm on Apr 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

Looking very good currently - Very relevent to the search request in the areas we watch.

I think Yahoo could well be the dark horse here, with Googles results currently weak they can take full advantage.

Whilst Updating is a good idea they dont want to do it to frequently otherwise users dont have stability with the results. This was the main reason why the UK Government Search facility due out later this year dropped Google in favour of Yahoo, it was purely due to results stability.

First impressions of this update are that its very good.

abacuss




msg:837279
 5:27 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yes for some serp it is looking good but for some its not. Definately they are updating and a change is visible but i think it will take some time to settle down.

Yes yahoo should concentrate on stability of results rather just updating every now and then.

kneukm03




msg:837280
 6:49 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I don't agree with this stability idea. The reason Google has a problem with stability of results is because they can serve different result sets every few hours - you could easily get a different datacenter, and because BigDaddy seems to have turned their index to garbage they can vary wildly. That is a real problem for the average user, because often people will try to find the same web site with the same search within a few hours or even a few days.

But here we are talking about changing the SERPS once every month or every few weeks. The average user is not going to remember their query they used to get to a web site that long. You have to counterbalance these things, and you can't just leave the index the same forever because it's stable. Yahoo was gradually turning into a clone of the Wayback machine.

I also don't think regular updates fix every issue they have. Yahoo has a good opportunity to grab market share because the BigDaddy results have been so awful in many cases - when I'm researching topics to write about on my sites, I'm constantly hitting dead links in Google. But updating the results regularly doesn't cut it completely as far as speed goes. There's two basic parts to getting a "current" set of search results - grabbing new information about web sites with your spiders, and ranking that information once you have it. Regular index updates fix the second one. But Yahoo's spiders are just slow - and they're falling behind Google on this front. It can take several months for Yahoo to index static html sites fully - I'll have 30 or so links from the main page, all very simple structure and nothing fancy, and it will periodically seem to grab one or two pages and add them in. That process takes months. Google's new Mozilla bot gets the entire site, and it catches new pages within days. If Yahoo just fixes the speed issue with the ranking of data, and doesn't grab it faster, it won't be able to catch up. But at least they seem to be moving on this.

idolw




msg:837281
 7:10 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

heh, it can stay as is forever.
relevancy not bad for commercial terms.

info search results suck!

andrewshim




msg:837282
 11:10 am on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

last update, my site fell to page 3 which affected my traffic and adsense earnings. I never realized how much targetted traffic I was getting from Yahoo!- now I know.

Anyway, I went back to basics, corrected (and optimized) a whole bunch of things and within 3 weeks, I was climbing back up and now am higher than I was last month.

The current results for my key phrase seems to contain a handful of irrelevant sites (i mean totally irrelevant - not even on the topic) but if this means that they will eventually get cleaned up and I will move up to page 1, then hey... I'm happy!

Iguana




msg:837283
 12:20 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I've not done very well in this update, lost a lot of places for many phrases. But I think the results look quite good for my sort of searches. Time to replace the Google toolbar on my home PC I think.

Kirby




msg:837284
 5:37 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

My sites do well in Yahoo, but some of their results still suck with a few that are beyond absurd.

wmuser




msg:837285
 8:20 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am still fine

SuddenlySara




msg:837286
 9:27 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm ok too...actually doing better on click throughs moving to the top of page 2 from being towards the bottom of page 1. Many sites around me pretty spammy though. Looking more and more like msn to me.

BillyS




msg:837287
 10:25 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hard to tell for me on a weekend, but this one seems pretty much like a non-event.

I will say that Yahoo seems to be doing a much better job for me as far as pages indexed.

steveb




msg:837288
 11:11 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Maybe a bit better, but that is saying nothing.

"Hosting canceled" seems to have had a great update....

Bleech.

ZoltanTheBold




msg:837289
 11:20 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

My recent experience of Yahoo is they have concentrated a lot more on getting spidered content online as quickly as possible. Google on the other hand, with their frankly dire XML Sitemaps, aren't keeping up in this regard.

I am amazed Yahoo don't make more of Google's Big Daddy disaster. It's pathetic really. An opportunity lost. Search engine prominence has a lot to do with perception of quality amongst users after all.

Erku




msg:837290
 11:21 pm on Apr 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

when do you think this update will be over? How long untill all the DataCenters will show the new results?

europeforvisitors




msg:837291
 2:52 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just looked up a not uncommon three-word phrase, and nearly all of the top 10 search results were the same AP story.

Hasn't anyone told Yahoo about duplicate-content filters?

Label_Lady




msg:837292
 3:41 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

This update boosted our position on several keyword phrases.

Bennie




msg:837293
 3:56 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Results def better to me across multiple areas. Still some fairly simple to cull spam dominating top 5 or 10 in some lesser compeditive areas.

Please Y have a good look at your spam filters, your letting far too much crap in from the same domain and also especially spammers running small (easy to detect) link farms of almost identical crosslinked domains. Totally crazy, these puppies never ranked so well.

bennie

andrewshim




msg:837294
 8:57 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, some sites simply don't belong in the top ten - totally off-topic with not even a single keyword (searched for) on the page!

Some sites listed have been there for donkey-years and they're just static pages. I thot Yahoo! liked sites that are updated frequently?

Anyways... me thinks this is a good update because it proved to me that Yahoo! does NOT hand-code (or) hard-code the top ten of the category I'm in... most of the sites have been shuffled but hopefully, I will still be climbing up.

zeus




msg:837295
 9:29 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

They still have the bas search results on the net + still A LOT of sites are missing because of all there manual baning, I dont even think its worth to mention this update.

angiolo




msg:837296
 11:48 am on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

In my niche I don't see a big movement.

It seems to me that keywords in the Dmoz listing gives you a boost.

marketingmagic




msg:837297
 4:01 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

still the same ole same ole junk. again, doesn't Y! have search engineers in it's ranks?

Yawn...

Powdork




msg:837298
 4:40 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the worst results of any search engine for sectors I watch. As far as I can see about.com is a Yahoo! company.

CainIV




msg:837299
 6:59 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Overall better than what we were seeing.

Interestingly enough, a site I own that was penalized in Yahoo for 'who knows what' has suddenly reappeared in the top 5 for most of the major keywords.

After emailing the Yahoo team, who told me my site does not conform, I didnt bother following up because I did not do anything to incur a penalty.

All of a sudden its back...go figure

crick




msg:837300
 7:07 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Some of you guys who rank well in Yahoo consider Google to be crap. If you had ranked in Google instead of Yahoo, you would have said the same about Yahoo. I would much rather rank well in Google than Yahoo.

RichTC




msg:837301
 9:14 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Crick,

We have sites that rank great in all three.

The majority of search traffic in every case is from Google 75%+, Yahoo 20%, MSN/Ask/Others 5%

However, despite the market share that Google holds (for now)imo its serps results are poor whilst Yahoos are very relevent. If Google were churning out the serps results now back when they started out they wouldnt have such a large market share now thats for certain. However, Yahoo COULD upstage them with these results. Yahoo serps results have come along way compared to how they were just one year ago.

As ive posted before, imo Yahoos results are now the best of all three search engines. They perhaps need to do more work on the three/four/five word string requests but on one or two words the results are superb, cant see how they can improve them.

In closing no search engine is going to please everyone but IMO at least Yahoo deliver relevent sites in relation to the search string.

RichTC




msg:837302
 11:46 pm on Apr 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

POSTED BY Haecceity ON GOOGLE THREAD - The post confirms the revelency angle which is what many webmasters are now seeing from Yahoo. It compares a long string search request done on both Google and Yahoo.......

Some Webmasters -- especially webmasters of commercial sites -- are always going to complain because the position of their own site radically affects their perceptions. Which isn't to say that webmasters can't also be more objective and even perceptive.

But I think you're right that what's going on right now is not the same-old same-old. Google used to be great. It almost seemed to be a psychic search engine. Now it's erratic and sometimes downright useless.

To avoid generalities, I challenge those of you who think that google is working just fine or has only minor problems to search for "build your own model T ford" (without quotes) in both Google and Yahoo. This is a randomnly chosen text string -- my own site is about meditation.

There's no spam in the Google results -- but also *no* relevant results in the top ten. Not one. You'll learn how to build your own fake segway, paper rocket, generator, or solar system -- but *nada* about model T fords.

Yahoo on the other hand? It puts relevant site in the #1 spot -- a site that isn't even in Google's top ten.

Powdork




msg:837303
 12:42 am on Apr 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

My sites are not doing well in Yahoo. That is a statement in and of itself because they are quality sites and they do provide the most and best information for the queries involved. But the fact that my sites are not there does not hurt the results nearly as much as the sites that are there. The results in my area can not come close to Google.

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