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Yahoo Update 03/24/2006
Looks like this is it!
followgreg




msg:828059
 6:35 am on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)


The Yahoo update is live along with a new design - For tose still interested here is personal opinion:

Some results seem more legitimate while they still keep on being scammed by automated link exchange networks, at the same time they keep on penalizing legitimate site.

IMO it is a little better overall, still there are bugs in this algo that do not reflect 1/4 billion dollar investment for sure.

 

Crush




msg:828060
 11:54 pm on Mar 24, 2006 (gmt 0)

Do not get it. My zillion links count for nothing? It is not totally biast to links that is for sure. Sort of like some random thing in the algo to confuse us all.

treeline




msg:828061
 12:46 am on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

How can you tell that it's updating?

Crush




msg:828062
 8:07 am on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

" How can you tell that it's updating? "

TBH there is not much to see.

angiolo




msg:828063
 8:08 am on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I noted that I get different results for plural and singular words.

If you optimize for plural, it doesn't guarantee you the ranking for singular....

wordy




msg:828064
 9:10 am on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing radically different results on AV and Alltheweb compared to Y! for the same search.

I thought they used the same algo.

martinibuster




msg:828065
 9:41 am on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

In terms of a substantial shift in Yahoo's algorithm, I'm not seeing it. Doing a side by side comparison with Ask.com I find that Ask is doing better than Yahoo in relevance.

There's something about Yahoo's serps, a random factor, that screws it up, giving out some oddball results after position five in certain searches. In other searches that I monitor I'm seeing the exact same core mistakes.

With tremendous respect for the hardworking people at Yahoo, and I know they work hard at this and are very passionate about what they do, but I'm not seeing the breakthrough in relevance that people are waiting for.

The other thing that bothers me, and this may seem cosmetic but it's not, is the way they display snippets from the pages. It looks unappealing to have four to five random lines of text from a web page. The serps look like badly translated text. It would appear more coherent and make more sense to the user if Yahoo used the meta description tag. That's what the description tag is for, right? To describe what the page is about. Would look cleaner.

idolw




msg:828066
 10:26 am on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

saw these SERPs quite long ago.
it proves that dumb links exchanges work great for yahoo. you just need more links to get to the top.
seeing idiotic websites without any value getting to the top.

RichTC




msg:828067
 3:01 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

The serps were far better before imo

It looks like they are giving weight to news sites or sites that are news related.

Ie a search on blue widgets may produce site pages with news streams containing the words rather than sites with pages specific to those words.

Also they have moved back towards showing top level domain pages rather than the page with the content on.

Previously i noticed that they did master delivering the pages that were the most specific on your site to the keyword search. This is now lost. Whilst the previous serps were not 100% at least they delivered the most specific site pages even if they had missed some perhaps more relevent sites from the serps.

IMO they should switch it back and focus on the previous algo rather than roll out this drastic change which frankly has not improved the serps one bit imo!

kneukm03




msg:828068
 3:44 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

While I'm a little disappointed with the update in terms of recency of the data (still seems to be several months old based on where my sites are and aren't ranking), I think it's doing OK on relevance for the top 10-15 results of the stuff I've checked. Some of those may be less competitive terms, but I know on MSN a lot of the searches I looked at were clogged up with meaningless spam sites. Yahoo let my sites in but not theirs (a good result in my view, both because I like ranking and because my sites are entirely articles I wrote personally, which is the sort of content that ought to be displayed). Most of the results seemed to be a mix of info sites and big companies that sell related products, which is also the ideal outcome.

Saying "well, it's better than MSN" may not be saying much, but I don't think relevancy is their problem so much as speed.

randle




msg:828069
 4:34 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

they work hard at this and are very passionate

Perhaps, but they could do themselves a world of good by connecting with the webmaster community. Donít see them posting around here much, proving information or asking for feedback.

innocbystr




msg:828070
 7:55 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

How can you tell that it's updating?

I can tell because I've been in the top ten for my primary keywords for 6 months and now nowhere to be found. Oh well.....

Tigrou




msg:828071
 8:07 pm on Mar 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

Interesting. Where I am at (in Belgium), I see very, very few ads, whereas normally it's hard to find the real SERPs through the paid-for listings.

mfishy




msg:828072
 4:20 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Small step backwards. That's a shame, after all this time, not really sure what they were trying to accomplish. Almost seems the results were the best near when they launched?

On page is almost a complete-non factor with y now...looks like recips are back in favor after a long fallout...i think they are TRYING to place weight on the authority of the domain itself, but it's pretty hard to tell as it's not real good yet :)

This is for ALL search engines, but Yahoo is caught up badly in it. If a page, or site is down for a long time, please remove it from the index. I mean, man, even the title will say something like page removed, or deleted blog or whatever. Surely, if a page has nothing on it but account suspended or closed, you can get rid of it no?

sugarrae




msg:828073
 6:27 am on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yep, seeing mega shifts in the areas I watch. Seems a new loaf of bread has been baked. ;-)

crobb305




msg:828074
 8:27 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

They used to provide "weather reports" prior to updates. It seems they have completely stopped communicating with the webmaster community.

Never any useful information on their search blog.

RichTC




msg:828075
 9:35 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Improved Results!

They rolled out another adjustment last night and the serps look very much improved again as at now - well more focus back on revelency again anyway. I hope the current set sticks!.

To be fair to them they have obviously rolled out the first set of results, adjusted them, rolled them out again and have adjusted them again. So they must be taking revelency seriously imo.

Also in some of the commercial sectors im watching the results are absolutely spot on - i do wonder if they are working off more hand editing or taking into account Yahoo directory. Either way in some areas they have managed to get all of the authority sites you would expect in the top 20 of the search which i think is very good and puts them ahead of google for quality.

They do lose ground however on the three/four/five keyword search results compared to google but overall, this is a step forwards again for now

Mind you, knowing Yahoo they will mess them up again tomorrow!

Rich

BillyS




msg:828076
 10:15 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

My traffic is up, so they must be good ;)

martinibuster




msg:828077
 10:22 pm on Mar 26, 2006 (gmt 0)

Much improved, but what's up with the second page?

ramachandra




msg:828078
 1:03 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

Results looks better than previous for some of the keyword that I have been checking.

lgn1




msg:828079
 4:20 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

What is really stupid is that all my keywords moved from page 5 to page 2, however my YAHOO traffic went down 60%

Maybe the update is only showing on some regional datacenters.

Crush




msg:828080
 6:32 pm on Mar 27, 2006 (gmt 0)

yeah, work computer one set, home computer other set.

jameswatt




msg:828081
 10:48 am on Mar 28, 2006 (gmt 0)

hi dear all

what is the conclusion of the update
i have seen some changes in my clients site SERP's

does Yahoo has given more important to Back link....?
or Meta tags,ALt Tags.....

Thanks

elektrodish




msg:828082
 5:15 pm on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

Finally, a post about it on the Yahoo Search Blog.

randle




msg:828083
 5:30 pm on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

We completed an index update over the weekend. As a result, you may see some changes in ranking as well as some shuffling of the pages that are included in the index. You might also be seeing a temporary spike in crawler activity. As these things go, all this should stabilize in the near future

Very informative.

malasorte




msg:828084
 6:23 pm on Mar 29, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have my site online for 6 months, do great on google and msn but I'm nowhere to be found on yahoo. Well, it seems that things have changed...
A few minutes ago I noticed in my stats a referral from yahoo search with the main keyword of my site. It seems that I'm first in yahoo for this keyword and for almost ANY keyword for my niche. But only in yah**.co.uk. I'm still nowhere to be found on yah**.com... Weird...
Could this be THE update?

* My website is hosted in the US, not the UK, and I don't have UK targeted content.

BillyS




msg:828085
 12:12 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

spike in crawler activity - let's see what that meant for me:

Site pages - 1,100
Pages Crawled by Slurp in February - 5,697 + 1,889 robots.txt hits
Pages Crawled by Slurp March 28th - 19,072 + 3,098 robots.txt hits

That's a spike...

texasville




msg:828086
 1:53 am on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

For me, the update has been very, very good. My yahoo traffic has tripled. I do very well there. Much more expanded exposure in the keyword sectors I am after for this one site.
As a side note, I launched a new site for a client 8 days ago and submitted it nowhere but linked to it off another site. Yahoo has indexed it but no one else.

windvision




msg:828087
 3:54 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

malasorte: I am showing a number one result in yahoo uk for my top key words and a number 10 result in the us yahoo.

Powdork




msg:828088
 4:16 pm on Mar 30, 2006 (gmt 0)

I also notice a small update with most of the same stuff in a different order. Seems to be quite poor.
For 'popular destination keyword' the top ten results include 3 pages from about.com (IMO one is too many). The top result is about the keyword but only in association with the large city you usually fly to in order to get to our destination. The actual authority sites for the subject don't start until page 2, except for mine which sits at #6.

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