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Yahoo Reinclusion replies
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Kelowna




msg:824176
 7:12 pm on Feb 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Hi All,

I need some help in understanding Yahoo's replies to reinclusion request's. My site dropped out of the Yahoo search for my keywords. I gave it a couple of month's and then only saw 2 pages of the site with proper titles and descriptions and the rest were just listed as urls for the title and descriptions.

I wrote to Yahoo about this and here was their reply the next day...

<snip>Standard email about not complying with guidelines</snip>

I checked over their guidelines and did find that on my main page there was some dhtml used that they could have viewed as hidden text, the content was hidden when the page loads but if a link is clicked the content appears on the same page. I moved the content so the info appears on a new page when the link is clicked so there could be no chance of any kind of hidden text penalty or anything else that we could see. We then wrote back to Yahoo once again and received this reply...

<snip>A thanks for writing response stating that the review process takes several weeks</snip>

I am not sure if my site is good to go now or not? The first email clearly stated that my site "may not comply" but this second one does not.

Has anyone else received this type of response?

Does it mean that the site is now ok and it may take several weeks to appear in the listings again?

Or is this Yahoo's way of saying stop bothering us your site is doomed and we're not telling why...?

They do say to check [search.yahoo.com...] for our site in their last email so that seems like they might be saying we are good to go now but we are just not sure...

Any insight would be greatly appreciated.

[edited by: martinibuster at 8:16 pm (utc) on Feb. 6, 2006]
[edit reason] Email Excerpts per TOS [webmasterworld.com] [/edit]

 

Kelowna




msg:824177
 8:01 pm on Feb 7, 2006 (gmt 0)

Am I the only one getting vague emails from Yahoo?

Has anyone received an email to say their site has been accepted back in, if so what did they say in the email? I am just trying to figure if our site is now good to go or not, Yahoo also stated that they will not be sending further notification to us so not sure if that is a good thing or a brush off. They really should not call them selves "Customer Care" if they even care enough to be clear in their replies.

broker_boy




msg:824178
 4:06 pm on Feb 15, 2006 (gmt 0)

How long till you got the reply?

Cause i reapplied a few days ago and i got nothing.

The first time i gotr a receipt for the request.

How did you request?

Cheers,

BB

Pankaj_lis




msg:824179
 4:08 pm on Feb 16, 2006 (gmt 0)

hey try and resubmit your pages in yahoo search engine

Rollo




msg:824180
 11:53 pm on Feb 17, 2006 (gmt 0)

If you're not banned, I'd try getting lots of links to the pages you want Yahoo to notice.

followgreg




msg:824181
 6:29 am on Feb 21, 2006 (gmt 0)


Yahoo is just a poor engine, forget it - For competitive search terms results are hand coded and not reviewed for months then....impossible to rank there.

In addition like I said in another post, their bot is hammering sites like crazy but their index is not even refreshed which is a loss of their and our bandwidth, time and money.
They are unable to build a search engine - they don't care about what you think - just don't even pay attention to them anymore - stop wasting your time and money.

Kelowna




msg:824182
 4:08 pm on Feb 21, 2006 (gmt 0)

RE: How long till you got the reply?

I got the replies overnight in both cases, the problem is that I don't know what they mean?

The first reply from Yahoo said the site "may not" comply with their guidelines.

After changing the only thing that "may have" seemed out of line I resubmitted the request and all they tell me is they can't tell if there is still a problem, they tell me to use their search looking for my site as it "may" show up in a few weeks.

Has anyone else had this type of reply and their site came back? ...or is this just some sort of brush off from Yahoo?

Their spiders are all over my site crawling it steady and I need an answer to know weather to ban their bots to save band width if this is the case.

SuddenlySara




msg:824183
 12:51 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

Make sure you have a paid listing in their directory before you ever contact anyone at Yahoo.

BillyS




msg:824184
 2:58 am on Feb 22, 2006 (gmt 0)

>>Make sure you have a paid listing in their directory before you ever contact anyone at Yahoo.

Sara's kidding about that one...

I did a reinclustion request a couple of months ago. I followed the advice I found here in writing Yahoo. Even though folks said you only had one shot, I didn't find that to be true. Granted, my site was clean to begin with...

Anyway, it's possible - here is a link to some of my posts:

[webmasterworld.com...]

It took about four weeks altogether and indexing is still building (months later). Overall, I would say (based on my experience) that Yahoo does look at the requests and if you're clean, they will let you back in.

Kelowna




msg:824185
 12:49 am on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Thanks BillyS

I will leave things for a couple month's to see if they put the site back. I was not sure what to make of their replies but I will keep my fingers crossed and wait before I ban their bots from my site.

orbiter




msg:824186
 4:48 pm on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Kelowna --

I've had a similar experience. Yahoo pulled one of my sites, and I never was able to determine why. I filed a reinclusion request, and a few weeks later received one of their boilerplate cryptic replies. It sounds like you got the same one -- the site might not meet guidlines, keep searching for it as it might eventually show up again, and so on.

That was last September. The site is still not showing up.

I could go on and on about how screwed up Yahoo is, but you probably already know that. In my case, I've just given up on them. I got tired of playing their games. My decision was this: If the site ever does show up again, great. If not, so be it. But I'm not wasting any time with Yahoo.

Good luck!

BillyS




msg:824187
 10:42 pm on Feb 23, 2006 (gmt 0)

Kelowna -

FWIW, this is what I would do if faced with this problem:

1. - Read the Yahoo Guidelines carefully and make sure my site was squeekly clean.

2. - Submit a reinclusion request detailing exactly what I changed or what I thought might have been a problem. (For example, duplicate content caused by mod_rewrite.) I would also tell Yahoo that I read their guidelines thoroughly and believe my site complies.

3. - Look for a "canned" response, which I would expect to get in a day or two.

4. - Watch the activity of Yahoo's Slurp. When I was under penalty, the ratio of robots.txt hits to page hits was about 1:1.

5. - If after about 6 - 8 weeks, I didn't see any change in indexing or Slurp patterns (that 1:1 ratio). I would write a follow up letter re-explainging what I had done to clean up the website and how I would appreciate it if Yahoo would reinclude my site.

6. - Go back to step 3 and repeat. Each time waiting about 6 - 8 weeks.

Kelowna




msg:824188
 12:53 am on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

I just did a check of my logs from the last few hours and see about a 7 to 1 ratio of pages to robots.txt hits so hopefully that is a good sign.

I do have to say that the inktomi bot has always hit my site hard, that is why I was thinking of banning them if they were just wasting my band width. I am not sure why they even crawl sites that they don't list?

BillyS




msg:824189
 8:32 pm on Feb 25, 2006 (gmt 0)

7:1 is a good sign, here are my stats under penalty (September 2005)

Inktomi Slurp 645:568 page:robot.txt

Here are my February stats

Inktomi Slurp 4651:1580 page:robot.txt

Much more active and the ratio is closer to 3:1.

twebdonny




msg:824190
 8:01 pm on Mar 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

If your site competes in any way with something Yahoo
is selling, YOU WILL NOT be re-instated, that just the way
they operate. Kill the competition via vague rules and regs that don't apply to everyone, just sites that compete
with their bottom dollar.

Kelowna




msg:824191
 5:37 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

twebdonny, my site does not compete in any way with Yahoo. The odd thing is that the site shows the main page and one other internal page with a proper title and descriptions, but then there are 3 pages of just url only references to some of the other internal pages with no descriptions when I do a site search?

I just updated the home page and they crawled it and show the new title and content in their cache but still the site only shows up in url only searches. The Inktomi bot is all over the site every day but never and change to the internal pages of the site, not sure what to think?

I tried a search for a new page that I know they have crawled many times from the stats and it come out as not found, then I search for one of the url only pages that they have listed under the site search by searching for the exact url and I get 4 results with sites that host my link coming up first and my page is the last listing for it's own url search. This is quite a mess to figure out, I wish they would just ban the site altogether and stop crawling it or index it properly, this half way crap is driving me nuts.

maximillianos




msg:824192
 6:35 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

There is probably something wrong with your site that the bot is picking up. Some how your site is not conforming to their standards, or you have dup content either through other domains or a copycat site. Doorway pages, all that stuff get peggged.

I took a big hit from them dropping my site about a year ago. I've since cleaned up as much as I could find wrong with my site. Most things were not intentional, I just didn't know better. Like back in 2000 when I setup my site, I pointed all variations of my domain to the same site (.net, .org, etc). Well come to find out some search engines consider this dup content and may penalize you for it. So now I make sure all those domains point to nothing. Same for common misspelling of my domain. I use a 301 redirect instead of pointing them directly to the website. This way it tells the search engine the link has permanently moved and to ignore it.

Then request a re-inclusion. They will send you a standard reply/rejection. And then go and optimize for MSN/Google and forget about it.

;-)

BillyS




msg:824193
 8:35 pm on Mar 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

twebdonny, my site does not compete in any way with Yahoo. The odd thing is that the site shows the main page and one other internal page with a proper title and descriptions, but then there are 3 pages of just url only references to some of the other internal pages with no descriptions when I do a site search?

That is exactly how my site started coming back... I started to see more and more URL only pages and slowly over time they began to populate. I still have some in that condition, months later.

If your site competes in any way with something Yahoo
is selling, YOU WILL NOT be re-instated, that just the way
they operate. Kill the competition via vague rules and regs that don't apply to everyone, just sites that compete
with their bottom dollar.

Not true in my case, they let me back in and I do compete with Yahoo (if that's possible...).

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