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Anyone have great Google and MSN results but horrible Yahoo results?
Yahoo results very different from others...
funandgames

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Msg#: 3774 posted 4:30 pm on Dec 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Do you experience great Google and MSN results for your keywords and phrases, but consistantly have bad results on Yahoo on the exact same keywords and phrases? Have you noticed this has worsened in the past year?

 

minnapple

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Msg#: 3774 posted 4:52 am on Dec 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes,

Seen this on serveral sites.
Each time I think I have figured it out after days of research, Yahoo changes the algo.

rjwmotor

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Msg#: 3774 posted 3:23 am on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Absolutlely...I have noticed it has gotten worse in the past year, too. We rank high on G and msn for our major kw's but not on Y. Hopefully they'll come around...I've also noticed that on our 5 year old site it's always been one way or the other...if we rank high on Y we don't on G and vice-versa...

goneinthesun

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Msg#: 3774 posted 3:16 pm on Dec 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

same here. I do noticed that our pure html site get listed ok in yahoo. but our php sites are not doing well at yahoo

moishe

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Msg#: 3774 posted 7:45 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I dont think PHP is a factor. My home site is built with a CMS in PHP. I rank #1 in Yahoo for my name (the site is my name.net), but only #3 on Google. Yahoo does not seem to have any problem indexing all the pages either.

(#1 on MSN as well)

FrostyMug

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Msg#: 3774 posted 8:10 pm on Dec 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

yes, i had it happen to me. started website, rated well in all 3, best in yahoo, believe it or not. after 6 months, decided to do something VERY stupid and submitted to yahoo directory. every 'submit' is checked manually, my site was flagged for one page of reciprocal links and just plain disappeared from yahoo.

At that time, i didn't know one thing such as Dir. submission could lead to removal. months later, i figured it out when reading a post on WW and submitted a very nice apology letter to yahoo.

I removed the links page, of course, and all outbound links to other sites. at that point, they were not important, the site was doing great on its own in both msn and google. yahoo didn't reply back, but the site has been re-spidered again and is slowly coming up in search, but nowhere near the initial high. I'm hoping to recover in another 6-12 months.

php is not a factor, my whose site is .php .

Lawnboyronmiller

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Msg#: 3774 posted 2:59 pm on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

if you are ranking well in Google & MSN,
especially if your site has been around for a while, but no where to be found in yahoo, chances are you are banned.

I would not touch a website that ranked well in google & msn.

i think yahoo really needs to look at its index and how much they've banned at this point... the quality of their index is poor compare to M&G.

imweb

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Msg#: 3774 posted 4:05 pm on Dec 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

The horrible thing for me is on subdomain. G and M indexed my subdomain very well. In fact since it is an alternate language (less competition), it ranks very well (1st page or #1). But Yahoo...oh boy.. it doesn't even index it, let alone rank.

Adding to this insult, my blocked URLs (disallowed by robots.txt) in main domain actually get indexed even though they are listed as URL only.

rjwmotor

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Msg#: 3774 posted 6:22 am on Jan 1, 2006 (gmt 0)

"if you are ranking well in Google & MSN,
especially if your site has been around for a while, but no where to be found in yahoo, chances are you are banned."

I don't think this is necessarily the case at all. We do rank for some minor search terms pretty well but not our major kw's on y. We've been around for about 5 years and I put most of the blame on poor updates and subpar algorithms. It's been stated in other threads that Y's current algo is having a hard time getting the most appropriate page for a particular kw on a site to rank. Example-A search for "blue widgets" brings up the "widget" home page instead of the page dedicated to "blue widgets". I think this is our main problem but there's nothing we can do about it but wait for Y to come to there senses and turn down some filters. We have pages on our site that haven't been updated in years that outrank much more relevant newer(about a year old) pages.

amol_v_naik

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Msg#: 3774 posted 6:38 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

"if you are ranking well in Google & MSN,
especially if your site has been around for a while, but no where to be found in yahoo, chances are you are banned."

I totally disagree, this might not be the case. My site is ranked well in Yahoo and MSN, but has poor rankings in Google. I think reworking on yor site for content relevency, keyword insertion, tags, inbound links will help. This three SE's have different algo's, as we all know, and the factor considered important by Yahoo might be laking on your site. Find it, work on it and wait for some-time.

SFReader

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Msg#: 3774 posted 9:22 pm on Jan 2, 2006 (gmt 0)

I optimize for Google and do very well for my keywords in both Google & Yahoo (generally 1st page, above the fold). My rankings on MSN are significantly lower (2nd or 3rd page). This is true across different domains and different subjects.

baldlygo

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Msg#: 3774 posted 8:42 am on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

if you are ranking well in Google & MSN,
especially if your site has been around for a while, but no where to be found in yahoo, chances are you are banned.

Well, my website is online for about 6 years. GG and MSN rank it very good, Yahoo search don't even knows me. But I was accepted as a yahoo ads publisher at the very beginning, so I guess it says something about what they think about my (really useful) website, no?

Daniels_Web

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Msg#: 3774 posted 6:56 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I have terrible results in Yahoo, but great in Google and MSN, and they are very erratic. One day I will have hundreds of cached pages and the next only the homepage? I use Yahoo for my webhost and I have contacted them numerous times, and to say the least they have no clue, most don't even know there is a site explorer, LOL@YAhoo.

To the guy who needs a sitemap for Google, you really need to get your own crawler software, and list several sitemaps--XML, NTF 8 text, and HTML links for visitors.

<Sorry, no personal URLs.
See Terms of Service [webmasterworld.com]>

[edited by: tedster at 7:02 pm (utc) on Jan. 3, 2006]

ddogg

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Msg#: 3774 posted 7:56 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo banned my sites for whatever reasons. Course they won't say why, even though they rank fine in Google and MSN.

Yahoo search sucks. Total waste for such a high traffic portal. It's like they don't even care about search.

caveman

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Msg#: 3774 posted 8:21 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

Take a fresh look at dupliate content issues and linking patterns. IMHO, about two thirds of the time the issue identified in this thread starts in one of these two places.

The other third of the time, I think it is mainly due to a ghost in the machine. :p

Daniels_Web

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Msg#: 3774 posted 9:11 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

I agree that Yahoo search s..ks. I am missing out on a lot of traffic because of the way they screw things up. They can't even crawl there own servers and get it right.

The main problem is that they are owned by SBC do I need to say more.

From several long phone calls I realized they don't have a clue to what's going on. I guess it would be better to write them off and not worry about it anymore. That's what I am doing. Later.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3774 posted 11:39 pm on Jan 3, 2006 (gmt 0)

The main problem is that they are owned by SBC do I need to say more.

No, they are not.

They partner with SBC on SBC's DSL product. Yahoo delivers software and branding, etc. SBC does the heavy lifting.

moishe

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Msg#: 3774 posted 2:10 am on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

My main site is made up of a domain (broad topic) and 3 subdomains (specific topics). The main domain does fairly lousy in Yahoo, Google beats the traffic 50-1, but a couple of the subdomains do fine in Yahoo with Google only beating Yahoo about 3-1.

The main thing I have noticed is that I rank well for completely different terms in Yahoo than I do in Google. MSN is another story altogether, the crawl the most and send the least traffic.

Daniels_Web

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Msg#: 3774 posted 2:23 am on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo was almost out of business when they "partnered" with SBC. SBC has control of Yahoo, or they wouldn't be associated with Yahoo.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3774 posted 2:48 am on Jan 4, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yahoo was almost out of business when they "partnered" with SBC.

No.

Yahoo was not almost out of business when they partnered with SBC. If they were so destitute, where do you think they obtained the money to launch Yahoo Personals, buy HotJobs, and purchase Launch?

Yahoo and SBC announced the launch of their services [yhoo.client.shareholder.com] in late 2002, although they'd been planning and investing for it since 2001.

Here is a quote [yhoo.client.shareholder.com] from the 2002 Yahoo Annual Report (2002 being the year you say they almost went out of business):

Full year 2002 revenue was $953 million, a 33 percent increase over 2001. Importantly, year-over-year revenue growth accelerated with each quarter in 2002, due to the change in our client mix and the growing contribution of our newer, more sustainable revenue sources. Yahoo!'s balance sheet also remained strong, ending the year with $1.53 billion in cash and marketable debt securities, up more than $60 million from the beginning of the year.

Everybody was struggling the year before in 2001, and it wasn't confined to the internet. But by 2002, Terry Semel's belt tightening and focus on growing revenue streams paid off.

Late 2002 is when they were negotiating purchasing Inktomi, and a few months later they purchased Overture and all the rest. Is that a company on the ropes? And it sure wasn't fueled by SBC income.

Small Website Guy

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Msg#: 3774 posted 4:31 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah, my site that gets lots of Google traffic gets nothing from Yahoo. I search in Yahoo and my site doesn't show up at all unless I type in the name of the site.

I suppose Yahoo has banned me? Is there anyway to get unbanned?

I seem to be banned at MSN too.

Only Google likes me.

RS_200_gto

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Msg#: 3774 posted 5:51 pm on Jan 6, 2006 (gmt 0)

We also get lots of Google and MSN traffic and nothing from Yahoo. We also have the same problem, wen we do a search in Yahoo our site doesn't show up unless we type in the name of the site.

Yahoo is no longer Yahooing, based on our files!

arubicus

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Msg#: 3774 posted 9:49 am on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Yeah yahoo never really liked us all that much although we did better in Y! and Google than MSN traffic wise. Position wise I would say it depends on the page/keyword many being on the opposite ends of the stick.

caran1

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Msg#: 3774 posted 4:44 pm on Jan 8, 2006 (gmt 0)

Earlier I was getting a lot of traffic from Yahoo and MSN, almost zero traffic from Google. Since October, the total SE traffic has more than doubled, but more than 80% is from Google only. Yahoo seems to have banned most of my websites.

sid560

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Msg#: 3774 posted 1:41 am on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Same here. Good on Gooogle and Msn but banned on Yahoo. Yahoo really is the pits.

luckychucky

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Msg#: 3774 posted 12:22 pm on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Take a fresh look at duplicate content issues and linking patterns. IMHO, about two thirds of the time the issue identified in this thread starts in one of these two places. The other third of the time, I think it is mainly due to a ghost in the machine. :p

Well, you guys, in 3 pages of posts thus far only one post (from our moderator) has bothered to even obliquely speculate about causes and remedies...

Google has me between #1 to #3 for all the big money keywords in my trade. But on Yahoo I don't even rank, or when I do I'm #47 or so. Yup, Yahoo sux, royally. But regardless I can't stand leaving all that traffic sitting on the table un-harvested. Anybody have any clues, ideas, practical solutions to deal with what is, to make the best of Yahoo's suckiness?

ska_demon

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Msg#: 3774 posted 12:56 pm on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Ummm I don't want to p*** on anyones fireworks but...

I get most of my traffic from yahoo at the moment. The SERPS I see are pretty relevant with minimal spam. I run a niche directory that has bombed in google and gets minimal traffic from MSN.

Yahoo sends me 87% of my free traffic, the page count for site:example.com is perfect and the results for link:example.com are almost exact as far as I can tell.

For me, Yahoo has about the best results in my niches and give me useful, accurate data about my site.

Anyone else?

Ska

luckychucky

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Msg#: 3774 posted 3:39 pm on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

The problem is that Yahoo's algorithm is apparently set up as the Anti-Google. What Google likes, Yahoo dislikes. So you can't optimize for both.

Anybody consistently ranking high on both Google and Yahoo (MSN too) across a broad range of keywords? If so, we would like to take a blood sample and put you under the microscope please - because you're a rare specimen indeed.

marketingmagic

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Msg#: 3774 posted 3:58 pm on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

Sorry, no quite related to this post, but does anyone have a working email addy for the folks over at Yahoo directory support?

Small Website Guy

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Msg#: 3774 posted 8:52 pm on Jan 9, 2006 (gmt 0)

The problem is that Yahoo's algorithm is apparently set up as the Anti-Google. What Google likes, Yahoo dislikes. So you can't optimize for both.

Somewhat confused. You mean that putting your keywords in the Title, and getting inbound links with anchor text containting the keywords, that stuff doesn't help with Yahoo?

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