Well, it's all speculation...nobody knows the exact workings of any search engine's algorithm. We're all feeling around trying to second-guess how they work. But it sure does seem that Yahoo dislikes what Google likes.
I have several websites that were banned in Google several years ago but have done GREAT in Yahoo. Now they are coming back and doing better in Google with every update but recently they all disappeared in Yahoo. Many dropped 50 or more slots under short 2 word search strings. They still do good in Yahoo under longer 3 or 4 word search strings.
Just started a site so I am still working on getting my keywords where they need to be etc. But just putting in my domain name keywords will pull up my website #1 in Google. MSN will redirect straight to my site (so I guess I'm #1 there too). But Yahoo, the highest I have been with them is #29, I float between #29 and #30. Very strange...
Even i experienced the same thing i have sites which rank well in google and msn but they fair pretty poorly in yahoo.
One reason may be the change in algorithmn.I find it difficult to analyse when this update will end and all the result set settle down
Since the last update this is what I've experienced to. It seems like Google does a great job of showing the specific page that fits the search term while Yahoo, if it shows anything at all, shows the home page.
MSN is doing fine for me as well as Google.
My site has excellent SERPs on either Google or MSN, but seems banned by Yahoo. I am still struggling why...
Yeah, I have the problem, but that's because Yahoo has had a problem adapting to the fact I tried to force it to use www. and not just http://example.com. Been 4 months now the two sites are out of listings.
They are first on MSN and top 10 on Google.
Crazy, crazy yahoo.
But for rest of sites, I understand the G and M algos enough to be first page, but Yahoo...I find it somewhat random. Sometimes the strategies work, sometimes they don't.
[edited by: martinibuster at 3:21 am (utc) on Jan. 12, 2006]
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The difference appears to be filtering of certain keywords. YAHOO appears to value more popular keywords and if a highly popular keyword is in the mix of your search string then the filters take hold. for example I have several websites offering similar services in 4 diffeerent states. Two of those states are highly popular and searched for often. Two other of the states are much less known and not searched for. When I use the same string of 3 or 4 keywords and only substitute the state names I get HUGELY differeing results that vary only by the state used. I guess what I find irritating is that they have not banned any of my sites but they have purposely filtered them out of returns when certain popular states are used in the search string. They are not banning. They are filtering and skuing returns in order to force people to buy payper click.
It appears with my site, Yahoo has not updated the cache in 7 months. A bunch of old directory-style doorway pages I deleted over 6 months ago are still listed in site:www.domain.com, but these are dead links since the pages no longer exist. I don't suppose this could be my problem? I'm wondering if Yahoo is ever going to remove these old links. Slurp is mostly spidering my homepage. I don't think my site is banned.
[edited by: tedster at 6:20 am (utc) on Jan. 12, 2006]
Explain more about yahoo not liking www. I have a 301 redirect going now. Could that have hurt me? Not that it would matters. It's more important to keep Google happy.
We launched 2 sites in Oct 2005 and they were doing well, but then I realised that the link service we had used had dropped "www." for some of the first round of links to the site, so we had links to http://example.com.
Yahoo picked those up so I just did the 301 redirect from http://example.com to http://www.example.com for both sites.
Neither shows in Yahoo at all, but they do rather well in MSN and about where they should be in Google for their age.
Evidently I'm not the only one that encountered this, and normally it takes a few months I'm told for Yahoo to pick it up.
I used to get 3-400 visitors/day from Yahoo and that disappeared completely a few months ago. About half my pages are in the index but I get maybe 2 visitors/day. An inquiry yielded an impersonal yada yada letter.
G and M traffic are great so it hardly seems worth tinkering for Yahoo's 400/day... Still, it would be nice to have that back.
|normally it takes a few months I'm told for Yahoo to pick it up |
Are you saying Yahoo might eventually catch up and more of my deep pages will start showing up?
Annej, Yahoo doesn't show ANY of my pages from those sites. It's not just the homepage they now have problems with...
Lesson? Don't do the redirect. Better lesson: never get in this situation to start from.
I'm not sorry I did a redirect as Google gives me by far most of my visitors. If I have to make my choice I'll take Google.
I do hope Yahoo sorts this out though. I guess time will tell.
I find Google is the best at finding the individual page that fits the key word phrase. Better than MSN and Yahoo. People don't want to be sent to a home page they want to go directly to the matching page. Hopefully Yahoo will get better at doing this over time. Not much help for now though.
I seem to have slipped in Yahoo for a few of my bellwether keyphrases, but I'm doing fine with others. On the other hand, my Google referrals are way up (averaging 10 to 12 times my Yahoo referrals, up from about 8), and MSN referrals seem steady.
I get the impression that Yahoo directory listings don't count for as much as they did, and that Yahoo is giving more weight to megasites and subdomain crosslinking schemes such as About.com's. That's just a gut feeling, though. (I don't watch Yahoo that closely, since I'm mostly a Google user myself.)
Yahoo seems way off the pace. Despite high rankings I get very little organic traffic. What's disturbing is that when sponsored and organic listings appear on the same page, I inevitably receive traffic from the sponsored link.
Directory-style doorway page schemes such as 'rankingpower' worked great for Yahoo up until they suddenly started banning sites for using it last summer. Before then, 90% of my traffic was from that source.
Any ideas why my website isn't doing well on Yahoo? It was never banned, but long after I removed all my doorway pages in order to avoid any bans, I haven't been getting anything from Yahoo.
Hmmm... I must be the odd one out... About 37% of my traffic is from Y!, 38% from MSN, and 25% from Google... (across many different sites)
Wow, Roel - congratulations! Any theories as to why/how?
Although...to split hairs, you're getting more from Yahoo than Google. Also: how do you rank in the serps on each engine?
I'm not sure if my site is under penalty with Yahoo or not.
A site:www search for my domain is showing a total of 990 links with my homepage at the top of the list which is "Cached," however all but 2 of those links are to long dead links to old doorway pages I removed 6 months ago.
Only my homepage is "Cached." Second link below that is 1 link an existing reciprocal links page, which is not Cached. Below that are all the dead links.
Slurp is regularly spidering and re-indexing only my homepage, and ignoring all my other pages.
Last summer when I found out Yahoo and Google were cracking down on the use of script-generated doorway pages, I quit using that program and removed all the pages before Yahoo banned this site. I rebuilt my site with lots of real hand-written content, and made sure there's no duplicate content. I was continuing to get hits from Yahoo for a short time after I removed all the questionable pages, but that soon died. It seems Yahoo has still not yet removed the dead links from their cache and they are not updating it.
I am only using a 301 canonical redirect from the non www version to the www version of my domain. The dead links currently produce a server Not Found error. I am only getting a little sporatic traffic from Google and a little more from MSN. I recently added a wordpress blog to my site.
Any ideas or suggestions what might be the problem?
I read the whole thread, my experiences are the same as most people who have posted here. I have high rankings on Google and MSN and very poor serps in Yahoo.
I emailed to check I wasn't banned or had "done something wrong". I was not, had not. However as I have mild nudity my site is classified as adult. Perhaps this has something to do with it.
The only thing which seems common to my site and a number of other posts here is the redirect I have from non www. to www. address.
I also get high rankings in dogpile, netscape, askjeeves. Its just Yahoo that I don't rank well for.
I know my search words and the best pages and sites on the net extremely well. Yahoo's results for them are awful they look more like a random list of sites which happen to have the words in than the most relevant, best pages. I also notice that "authority" sites do much better than they should ie they rank very well for hardly any relevancy.
As a number of people here have said that even when they rank highly they hardly get any traffic I am not going to worry about it any more. I look forward to MSN eating Yahoo's market share. I have fantastic SERPs in MSN (because I have a great site) and MSN doesn't give such great weight to ancient (often usless) sites like google.
All of the above is just my opinion. I am not an SEO expert ;)
I read this whole thread as well. everyone seems to have good points and views on the serps. I'm happy to say i have ranked well in all the se's! However new sites are getting tougher and tougher with googles sandbox:/
Netscape uses Googles results...
It seems that Yahoo is indeed losing search market share even more. Several users in this thread have stated they believe it is overly strict filtering. That makes sense to me.
Will we be soon saying the 'big two'?
I don't see why Yahoo would have a problem with my site, since I did clean it up 7 months ago and got rid of all the 'rpower' pages.
Ironically, my site was doing good on Yahoo but terrible on Google & MSN when I was still using the spam software, but then it dies in Yahoo shortly after I cleaned it up and got rid of all the blackhat stuff. I figure Yahoo should be happy I got rid of the spam pages. Last year, Yahoo was my #1 traffic producer.
Have your Google and MSN results improved since you removed the spam?
MSN traffic has improved quite a bit, Google, only a little since they re-included my site. Yahoo - Zippo. My google backlinks are 27, but it has been bouncing back & forth between 27 and 0. PR meter is doing the same thing.
Yahoo site:www.domain search shows they only have my homepage cached. Other cached pages are the spam pages I deleted from my site last summer.
One possible (if unlikey) reason:
I was doing fine until I changed my homepage meta a few months back. MSN & Google lapped it up - Yahoo dropped me from #7 to #79.
The other (silly) thing I did was apply for ppc...
My pages are indexed well, but all way down in the serps.
Does anyone understand Yahoo these days?
I have exactly the same problem. High quality and popular site doing great on MSN & Google, ranking absolutely disastrous in Yahoo! for anything but very complicated searches. It feels like I'm banned but the yahoo search engine crawler is indexing my site very reguraly and thorougly.
And I use 301 redirects from non wwww to www. Is it me or is this clue becoming more and more interesting?
Just Checked my rankings on Yahoo, where our site "had" dominated the market for the past 12 month. There is nothing wrong with the site. Nothing was changed in the past 12 month. Just a dynamic products displayd (4 of them) every time the home page reloaded or spidered.
GONE, GONE GONE.
i am king of in shock here. well maybe it will rebounce in a day or two or 3.
Instead of www.domain.tld listed under a site: command search - www.domain.tld/index.cfm given as an option on the 3rd page. I've never linked to www.domain.tld/index.cfm from with in the site, never. Which kind of made me think of that someone links to it from outside. And Guess what. I traced the link to the competitors secondary site. Oohhhhhhhhh. I am gonna do something, but first will wait; well maybe it will rebounce in a day or two or 3.
>Each time I think I have figured it out after days of research, Yahoo changes the algo.
Yet, in another post we see that Yahoo is "old & Stale" and never re-indexises and never changes its algo?
Give us a break peeps......
Here on WW we get to read that Yahoo never changes, Yahoo changes too much, Yahoo is old, Yahoo is outdated.
The story is simply a load of nonsence.
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