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I Can't Seem to Rank in the Top 10 in Yahoo
Yahoo is just impossible to figure out. No matter what I do
ace2000




msg:829718
 4:23 pm on Dec 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I rank in Google and MSN in the top 10 for almost every page on my site. I've been stressing out because no matter what I do I can't seem to rank in the top 10 in Yahoo, no matter how good or relevant my site seems to be.

Yahoo is just impossible to figure out. No matter what I do, I can't seem to get pages in the top 10. I even have my site in the Yahoo Directory, but that's done nothing for me, and generates zero leads. Plus, changing my site too much is dangerous. What if it hurts my Google ranking?

The only option I seem to have now is to pay Yahoo to get in the top 10. Do you think that will work? Has anyone had experience with this? I shutter to try it because just the thought of paying for results seems twisted and wrong.

The thing that really bothers me about Yahoo is that it will rank 5-6 very similar pages from the SAME site in the top 10, leaving no room for any competition or more relevant results. I have two competitors that have pages that take up every slot 1-10 for a keyword. On the other hand, Google will only rank the top 1 or 2 best pages for a keyword from a site, and it's results are 100x more relevant and focused than Yahoo.

[edited by: martinibuster at 9:52 am (utc) on Dec. 13, 2005]
[edit reason] Language. [/edit]

 

ramachandra




msg:829719
 7:09 am on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Same situation for me too. I am also trying too hard to get my site in top 10 position for my main keyword but couldn't able to make it.

Now the only thing left is getting more relevant backlinks which I am upto now.

Lets see if it works!

shahid




msg:829720
 1:37 pm on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

You are right about one thing. If you are ranking well at google and msn then changing the site for yahoo may not be a wise thing to do. As you have mentioned the top sites at yahoo for your keywords have lots of pages appearing on first page it seems to be a case of keyword stuffing or other spam tatics.

RichTC




msg:829721
 3:06 pm on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

From working on a number of sites i have noticed that Yahoo tends to take a good time to index the bulk of your pages. Look at how many pages you have in the index with the site command and it will give you a good idea of where you are so far.

Some have thought this to be a kind of sandbox as it can take a few years for a site to rank well.

Next is the number of backlinks. You need more backlinks and again these take a while to filter in also and show in the index.

With msn you can get any site to rank quick in a matter of weeks no matter what it is.

With Yahoo it is a waiting game. As an example three sites we worked on did not start to rank in Yahoo at all until after about 9 months longer than Google. This was after they came out of the google sandbox!

Over all i think Yahoo following this last update has made a significant step forward with its quality of results. They are currently better than ever. For the sites we work on that are still waiting to get in, at least i feel confident now that providng they dont change the algo again to much when these sites get in at least they will be with other quality sites and it will have been worth the wait.

In conclusion, i would work on a minimum of two years to rank well for a site, some may do it quicker and some longer depending on the sectors you are in.

DaveAtIFG




msg:829722
 3:23 pm on Dec 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you're competing for top 10 on heavily spammed search terms, hand editing [webmasterworld.com] might explain why you can't get there.

minnapple




msg:829723
 3:29 am on Dec 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Everytime I figure out what Y! likes, they change the rules.

A few months ago, if a site was over a certain K amount it was devalued.

Well that part of the algo changed. Now an exact match of title tag and h1 seems to be lessen rank.

Don't match the two and the page will do better in Y, but suffers in G and MSN.

Inbound link text and matching directory files name seems to help. Yet I shake be head in disbelief that this is really important.

Y! is really doing a good job keeping optimizers off balance to the point no one even bothers trying.

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