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Yahoo Penalty Removed
Brought site within Yahoo guidllines & boom! I'm back.
junai3

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 2:31 am on Oct 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Updating everyone on my Yahoo penalty. I tried several things without removing my links pages. Nothing worked. I then removed my links pages and re-resubmitted through:

[add.yahoo.com...]

Within a week, I saw 3 pages indexed by Yahoo. 5 days later my entire site is re-indexed. I am not doing well yet in the rankings yet for my main keywords.

 

larryhatch

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 5:44 am on Oct 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

junai3: That is very good news.

Can you tell us what your think was wrong with your links pages, as seen by Yahoo?
Did you have links to some bad neighborhoods maybe? -Larry

BillyS

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Msg#: 3636 posted 1:32 pm on Oct 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Within a week, I saw 3 pages indexed by Yahoo. 5 days later my entire site is re-indexed. I am not doing well yet in the rankings yet for my main keywords.

I have a similar story. Submitted a re-inclusion request. About three weeks later, robot activity returned to normal and pages in Yahoo cache increase daily. Not a big boom as described by junai3.

Personally, I thought I was wrongly penalized and did not make any changes to my site at all. (I read the guidelines about five times to make sure.)

randle

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 1:36 pm on Oct 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

That is really encouraging news, thanks for posting. I have several sites that have been penalized and its great to hear there's hope.

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3636 posted 5:12 pm on Oct 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Great news!
Congratulations!

Freedom

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 1:35 pm on Oct 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello - Opinions welcomed on this one:

I removed all the link pages from my site as forum gossip research indicated Yahoo didn't want you to have reciprocal link pages AT ALL. Zip. Zero recip link pages.

Okay...took those down.

I then stripped keywords out of the alt tags, removed my meta keywords completely (in case they thought I was "stuffing there") - and left only a modest description and generic meta titles.

I then resubmitted to Yahoo and got back the standard reply which I "think" is the acceptance letter. It goes something like...(paraphrase here)

The re-review process takes several weeks to complete....We can't tell you why it was banned...Please check Yahoo search to see if your site has been included.

However, this was on Oct. 19. It's now Oct. 31, and I am still not in.

Back story: My site was accepted into the directory in 2001 and appears there. The front page exists in the index but with the directory title/description.

Question: How long does it really take to get back in after being accepted? I read one poster on WebmasterWorld who said it took 3 weeks, but read other forums and above where they say it happened in less then a week.

If it doesn't appear by Nov. 20, I am going to go for the search submit. Is that a good idea?

Is there anything else I can do or that is recommend?

Thanks for your advice in what appears to be an almost impossible situation.

BillyS

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Msg#: 3636 posted 2:13 pm on Oct 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Question: How long does it really take to get back in after being accepted? I read one poster on WebmasterWorld who said it took 3 weeks, but read other forums and above where they say it happened in less then a week.

If it doesn't appear by Nov. 20, I am going to go for the search submit. Is that a good idea?

Is there anything else I can do or that is recommend?

It took me three weeek to start to see some progress. Here we are about 2 weeks later and I keep flipping back and forth betweeen roughly 10 and 20% of my site's pages back in the Yahoo cache (95 of 1,100 and 220 of 1,100) depending on the time of day. I do see that number growing each day and Slurp is now grabbing rougly 100 pages a day (pretty normal pace for this site).

Is seach submit a good idea? Depends on your site's objectives and a cost / benefit analysis. Overall, I think it is a bad idea because I've heard of horror stories after deciding to drop out of site submit. But if your business case supports paying, then it's probably a good idea.

Is there anything else? I've learned that you need to be patient these days.

Freedom

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 3:25 pm on Oct 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks! Useful and encouraging info.

I've heard those horror stories too about search submit.

I'll be more patient and go back over the site in the meantime.

cleanup

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 3:14 pm on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

BillyS,

does/did you site use links (recip) pages?

BillyS

WebmasterWorld Senior Member billys us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 11:21 pm on Nov 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, the site has a section labeled Web Links. But I really have not engaged in reciprical linking to a great extent (meaning less than 10).

Thez

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 3:19 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got dropped from Yahoo search and directory early this year completely. Around May I paid for inclusion to the directory, and got back in, but didn't get pages back into the search.

I did some work on my site, and submitted to the re-review process around 12th last month. Got the same auto response.

Now from the logs I can see that last month after the review requet Slurp visited roughly 40,000 times. So far this month only 200 hits, but it's visiting a page or two per hour.

Still not a single page in the search results.

Does all this mean that I've been accepted and I should see the pages soon or should I resubmit?

BillyS

WebmasterWorld Senior Member billys us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 10:21 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thez -

Welcome to WebmasterWorld.

Using the site:sitename.com command, look for pages that are in cache.

Grab some unique content from that page and search for it on Yahoo.

If your page is in the results, then it may just take more time before you start ranking. It's been slow for me (talking months, not weeks or days) to get all pages back in and ranking.

Thez

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 10:46 pm on Nov 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know how to check pages in the index, my question was is my site approved now that it's being crawled?

There's still not a single page indexed (site: search), yet the bot is crawling pages as I'm writing this. It's been a month now ...

BillyS

WebmasterWorld Senior Member billys us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 3:34 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

my question was is my site approved now that it's being crawled?

The short answer is crawling means nothing. My site was under some kind of penalty and Slurp crawled it all the time.

What's the ratio of robots.txt:page hits for Slurp? For me, it was nearly 1:1 when the site was under a penalty. Now it's something like 1:20.

Once it returned to normal spidering activity, I started to see pages in the index cache within a week.

Thez

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 9:11 am on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Last month it crawled all pages, but now it's mostly robots.txt again.

A few weeks back I saw some 10,000 pages in the index with the site: search, just a bunch of urls but there were pages. The next day again they were gone... What could that mean?

BillyS

WebmasterWorld Senior Member billys us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 12:16 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Last month it crawled all pages, but now it's mostly robots.txt again.
A few weeks back I saw some 10,000 pages in the index with the site: search, just a bunch of urls but there were pages. The next day again they were gone... What could that mean?

I got a lot of hits to robots.txt when under a penalty.

I had URL only listings (lots of them) when under a penalty.

NOt sure what was gone the next day for you. The URL only listings or the entire listing. Quite frankly, this all sounds like some kind of penalty.

soapystar

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 1:55 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

<sarcasm with some irony>sometimes i wonder if sometimes they just hit the wrong button by mistake and you get back in......</sarcasm with some irony>

Now all those that removed their links page then put it back again after being reincluded put your hands up!

BillyS

WebmasterWorld Senior Member billys us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 8:39 pm on Nov 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

Now all those that removed their links page then put it back again after being reincluded put your hands up!

I made exactly no changes and got back in. I did write a nice note explaining all the measures I took to make sure we were in compliance. Honestly, the site never should have been penalized in the first place.

JimHo

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 12:33 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Billy S
What were the steps that you took to ensure you were in compliance?

Freedom

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 6:38 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've managed to get 2 sites back in and in order to get them in, I had to remove the recip link pages.

Now, keep in mind the cookie cutter email that tells you you are back in, never really says you are back in. But it's not the rejection letter either.

THe site that I got approval on today was up for it's second review. THe first time, I left my reciprocal link pages on it and of course, I did not pass that first round. But at the time, I didn't know it was for reciprocal link pages.

Sunday night, (a few months after the first rejection), I resubmitted, but this time I did 2 things.

1. Wrote a long, friendly "speech" about why I think my site was special and unique, emphasized i took down the link pages and stop exchanging links almost a year ago, and plan to never exchange links again (which is true because I think link building is more or less dead).
2. I also gave some specifics of other ways the site is not violating quality guidelines.

Long story short, the major difference from the first rejection and the second "acceptance" - (which is difficult to interpret from their language, but basically means your site is fine now) - is the reciprocal link pages.

After I took them down and submitted for review, I got back "in." - now I just have to wait for the slurp/index to pick them up.

2 for 2 when the reciprocal link pages was the only major issue - is pretty strong evidence to me of what webmasters need to do to get back in.

tallguy

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 8:09 am on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo should try to assist good, genuine sites get
back in the index.
Yahoo is not perfect and sometimes good content rich
sites are being filtered...

onlineleben

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 3:55 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got a lot of hits to robots.txt when under a penalty

I asked a similar question in an other thread but didn't get a reply, so maybe some of the posters here can step in:
Is it possible that a new domain (not registered before) could get penalized?
I only get visits from slurp to the index.html and robots.txt and there is no technical reason why links to other pages on the site cannot be followed.
Any ideas?

BillyS

WebmasterWorld Senior Member billys us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 4:05 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

What were the steps that you took to ensure you were in compliance?

I posted here and was lucky enough to have several webmasters volunterr to look at my site, trying to find a problem. I probably described this as "engaged the services of professionals to ensure compliance with Yahoo's guidelines."

I also did some work on my robots.txt file and fixed a problem with 301 my site was sending users and robots.

For example, if you didn't find a page, the site would return a 301 (found here) and point to the home page (not good). I first changed this to a 410 (gone), then later to a 404 (not found).

The site also had a problem because it was returning a 200 even if the page name did not include a trailing slash. Now it returns a 301 and redirects to the correct page.

I explained that we had addressed these problems which I believe caused a suspected duplicate content problem. I explained how we identified and fixed each problem.

I also modified the robots.txt file to ensure robots could not access duplicate content (if it was generated. For example, a pdf file with the same exact content as the web page.

onebaldguy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 4:49 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

We have had a much better experience with Yahoo! than with any of the other SE's (especially Google). We operate 2 different sites in the same industry. However, they have a definitive difference in focus.

One was penalized in Google and 3 weeks later, the other one was penalized in Yahoo. I did everything possible to find out the cause for the penalties with little success. I spoke with Yahoo and Google reps at PubCon and SES and got contact information form them. It seems the sites had the same issue on both SE's. So I emailed the SE reps. Google did nothing to help the situation or even respond. Yahoo looked at the situation, took our comments into consideration and we got back in Yahoo!

Google may try to please webmasters by having some cool parties at their HQ (and heck, I have fun at them). But in my opinion, Yahoo addresses real webmaster issues (plus, it is unlikely the Pure lounge will run out of alcohol next Tuesday).

onlineleben

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 4:58 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

The site also had a problem because it was returning a 200 even if the page name did not include a trailing slash. Now it returns a 301 and redirects to the correct page.

Does this mean that my links that just point to a directory like mydomain.com/directory/ will not be accepted by yahoo (although other SEs do) and that I have to change them to mydomain.com/directory/index.html?

onlineleben

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 4:58 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

The site also had a problem because it was returning a 200 even if the page name did not include a trailing slash. Now it returns a 301 and redirects to the correct page.

Does this mean that my links that just point to a directory like mydomain.com/directory/ will not be accepted by yahoo (although other SEs do) and that I have to change them to mydomain.com/directory/index.html?

junai3

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 8:45 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site is now doing well in the search engines. Listing #1 for my top keywords again.

I ended up putting my links pages back online. I cleaned up my links pages making sure that only relevant, useful links for my visitors were located on those pages.

I have done the same for another site - without removing the links pages completely, but have had no luck yet.

junai3

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 8:51 pm on Nov 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I also had a similar problem with Google for another site. When Jagger 1 hit I was dropped from the SERPs from Google (from #4 for my main keyterms to #750 +). After reviewing my site, I found a gateway page left by the previous webmaster which I removed. I also cleaned up my links pages including only relevant, useful links to my visitors.

I then resubmitted to Google and within 2 weeks my site was back on the second page.

marketingmagic

5+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 4:08 pm on Nov 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah I don't see how a recip links page could be a reason for a ban. Provided of course that the links are related and relevant to your sites topics.

Providing resources for your visitors is a good thing and this is how the web was built. Can't see this being a bad thing...

soapystar

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3636 posted 1:31 pm on Nov 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

whats jagger got to with yahoo?...

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