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Yahoo Update?
Sep. 21, 2005
sugarrae




msg:829540
 1:26 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Been seeing various changes across a lot of serps.

 

luckychucky




msg:829541
 2:33 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Us too.
Went from positions 1-3 across a whole slew of spot-on relevant keywords, and where we've literally been stable for years, to 2nd, 3rd or 4th page serps.
I'm feeling scared and depressed.

stargeek




msg:829542
 7:09 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

as i noted on a previous thread:
I had a site that was not visible for a search on its name, and only showed one page for site:www.domainname.com searches.
very recently it started showing up for a search on its name, but still only one site listed in the site: search, and no slurp activity.

ratzmilk




msg:829543
 4:55 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a brand new site I only created a month ago. Even the domain name is only a month old and has never been registered before. And it appeared for the first time today on page 1 position 5.

So yes, they certainly are doing an update.

fourchette




msg:829544
 9:57 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site was dropped entirely from yahoo yesterday and today. I mean all the keywords are gone I don't rank for anything now. It's really weird.

I changed all my pages n the last two weeks, I rewrote all my pages in the last months, and I uploaded those in the last two weeks. Could it be that 1) they are updating my site and recrawling it or 2) They really don't like the new pages or 3) They think that changing so much pages is suspicious?

Anyway, I also seen that in a lor of areas a lot of ODP clones have emerged, so meybe the update is not over and those site will go further back in the serps as other sites are indexed and put in the serps.

Thanks,

fourchette

Skeleton




msg:829545
 10:47 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have also lost my Yahoo traffic :( i hope it is temprorary

fourchette




msg:829546
 11:14 am on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey skeleton,

Did you had any big changes lately on the site, or do you think you have an over-optimization filter applied to you site?

Are all the pages out from the serps?

Thanks

stargeek




msg:829547
 12:20 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

skeleton and fourchette:

what happens when you do a site: search for your domain on yahoo?

mfishy




msg:829548
 3:14 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

there were some reports of movements last night, but it appears yahoo is staying put for the most part. It has been some time though, and I would expect them to roll out a fresh index soon if they decide to stay at all competetive.

Skeleton




msg:829549
 3:21 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

@fourchette

I have added a little more SEO tricks for MSN. I have put my keyword to bottom of the page and made it bold, and i have changed my keywords in my title. i don't think that i have abused SEO. I have still got some keywords ranking on first page but i have lost the best performing ones.

@stargeek

site:mydomain.com returns 39,400 (it is about ~250.000 in Google)

I have also noticed that my backlinks were doubled (it was around 50.000 in Yahoo, now 101.000)

wired...

stargeek




msg:829550
 4:44 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

well, if multiple pages appear for a site: search in yahoo you're not banned per say, perhaps the algo shifted and you need to re-(or de-)optimize.

artdog




msg:829551
 4:46 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

See blogs moving onto the first page for a few terms. Other than for spamming a SE see no value in a blog for any user, perhaps I'm missing something.

Well, at least the blogs I'm looking at are only for that purpose, there's no value in reading them.

randle




msg:829552
 5:36 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

well, if multiple pages appear for a site: search in yahoo you're not banned per say, perhaps the algo shifted and you need to re-(or de-)optimize.

Yes, thatís what we have been thinking. For a long time now itís been easy to spot a penalized site, just type in the domain and if all you get is the home page, your out, and the prospects of coming back have been next to zero. Recently we are seeing an across the board drop of 30 to 40 places for an entire site, for all key words. Iíll take the drop, over the dreaded penalty any day.

Perhaps we are seeing a kinder, gentler Yahoo?

stargeek




msg:829553
 5:49 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Perhaps we are seeing a kinder, gentler Yahoo?"

oh, no those single page for site: searches still exist.

McMohan




msg:829554
 6:07 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

What if the site: search returns the homepage with description and all other pages URL only with no description and no cache? Penalty?

Hard to believe it is penalized, if it indeed is.

randle




msg:829555
 6:28 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think that would be a different problem, our measuring stick has been to search for the site by typing in www.xyz.com, then if you see just your home page, things are not looking good. Then to be sure, click on "more from this site" when you do that if all that comes up is your home page, with snippet and title, your penalized.

Why your penalized, would make for a very good thread, because using an algorithm to penalize and reduce entire sites to just their home page, is a bit extreme especially given the near impossibility of getting back in. The other interesting question is why do they leave the home page in the index, whatís the point of that?

stargeek




msg:829556
 7:31 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

randle:
i have an interesting case of this, where the homepage and a page describing a technique that may be the reson it was penalized are the only pages that are shown.

Perhaps its yahoo's way of saying "yes we know about that site, but no we don't want to index it" (and in this case "this is why we don't want to index it")

BillyS




msg:829557
 8:10 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

What if the site: search returns the homepage with description and all other pages URL only with no description and no cache? Penalty?
Hard to believe it is penalized, if it indeed is.

This is my exact situation right now.

I've sent in a reinclusion request, Yahoo confirmed the site is under penalty. For what? I don't know.

randle




msg:829558
 8:50 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

For what? I don't know.

Every day I get a little more convinced Yahoo doesn't know why either.

martinibuster




msg:829559
 8:56 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

why do they leave the home page in the index, whatís the point of that?

When Google bans a site, it's out of the index and for anyone searching for your domain name in Google, it does not exist.

The point in the way Yahoo does it is that while your site may be banned, it doesn't mean it no longer exists. It still exists and for someone searching for your site Yahoo will return it. Make sense?

It was suggested, I'm pretty sure, to Yahoo by one of the WebmasterWorld mods.

randle




msg:829560
 9:12 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, that does make sense. I was genuinely wondering about that.

Thank you!

mfishy




msg:829561
 9:42 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like a whole new slew of hand picked/hard coded serps appeared. Yahoo must be awful proud of themselves for their ingenuity. As a shareholder, I would have liked for them to save the Billion+ on search technology/acquisitions if they were going to go this route...

"I got an idea, let's turn this into a directory, people love directories! There's....oh, no, there are no directories that are popular at all..." Or maybe it was, "Geesh, the algo is not looking that good, maybe if we hand select some popular searches no one will really notice". Either way, does not instill much confidence in the engineers - if you cant score widgets what makes you think you can score the other millions of terms actually searched?

I hope the interns hand picking the serps take a peek at the ones they hard coded years ago - we have some personal favorites here, like a page scoring on a popular term for 3+ years that says last updated 1994!

On a more serious note, I hope yahoo is not throwing in the towel. The serps have not changed in some time (no major overhaul), except for their hand crap. I know as webmasters, we were all hoping for some competition in natural/organic search or it is gonna be all google all the time...

steveb




msg:829562
 9:59 pm on Sep 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

I suspect instead of hand coded serps you are seeing Yahoo (like Google sometimes) now using meta descriptions for the top ten sites for some searches. This makes them look like the Directory-only hand coded searches we've seen the past couple years, but many of the new "neater-looking" results are not in the Directory and in some cases no way would ever be picked to be hand sorted.

FrankFlorida




msg:829563
 2:45 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's crasy... I just noticed that my back links at Yahoo dropped from 741 down to only 10 via
link:mydomain.com

cws3di




msg:829564
 2:52 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just noticed this tonight also.

It is almost as if Yahoo has now dismantled the capability of linkdomain: (like Google did)

I have looked for backlinks on dozens of sites, huge orgs and govs too, and all are decimated.

aeiouy




msg:829565
 2:58 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have seen most of my sites loose almost all their backlinks, but I am also seeing some sites with many fewer indexed pages as well.

Anyone else seeing that?

frup




msg:829566
 3:01 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am seeing massive shifts in search results. Maybe it's a test datacenter or something I hit on. But some massive changes.

It's hilarious to see the completely different SERPS from 6-10 and the exactly the same as before ones from 1-5. Obviously 1-5 are pegged, and the ones below are "organic". So funny.

The SERPs I am seeing are completely and totally and utterly different from what was before, it's not the same search engine, it's that radical of a difference.

cws3di




msg:829567
 3:11 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Massive is an understatement.

It's a blast from the past. Everything I search for only brings up returns from more than a year ago.

Interesting to see that Yahoo also keeps the ancient pages that we all thought had 404'd long ago... Hmmm.

Massive movements indeed.

calvinhobbes




msg:829568
 3:53 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

We're seeing massive movements in our sector as well, first noticed about 10 PM EDT.

Here's hoping it's very temporary.

WallyBob




msg:829569
 5:50 am on Sep 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Link and Site:mydomain are showing massively different results from 12 hours ago. link:domain from 800+ to 30? site:domian from 2-300 down to 50?

Guessing it will sort itself out over a bit of time - certainly hoping so.

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