Big return to normalcy for me just after 1pm EST for me as well.
::phew:: that was a close one. Good thing they had backups ;)
Yes, very weird... everything is right back in its place now. Boy I sure would love to understand about how their updates work, and what it means to see them bouncing around like this.
This will not be the end of this. Normally, this will go on for 2-3 days. But what settles down as the final results will not be what you are currently calling "normal". There will be new SERPs.
Leaving aside how good the results are now when "normal-ish", it seems clear for awhile we were seeing only a small portion of the index, or at least an index that wasn't meant to be seen. So maybe it would be just good to ignore the few hours of "that can't be right" that went on.
The results seem pretty good now, and I see new pages listed, so this is new "pretty good" data, which may be the best part.
Thanks for that steveb.
Yahoo for all its faults at least seem able to make transitions/rollbacks (or whatever) fast, and react in real time, unlike you know who.
steveb - "or at least an index that wasn't meant to be seen"
that was my exact thought on what was happening.
Gave me an Idea of how many more Scrapers are on a loose. All documented for farther investigation.
Could this update explain why Slurp has been hammering me for the last several days (maybe even weeks) ... there is no less than 3 bots on my domain for the last several days, no matter when I check my live users (custom built system) Slurp is always there... normal?
Yes, everything is back.
Do you have any idea what might be the reason for this
I'd have to agree with kamikaze Optimizer.
I think Yahoo has gone stark raving mad or was bribed.
I vanished off the top 100 for my keyword, which I've had for 7 years and was replaced by Amazon Books among some other nutty replacements.
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Something is shaking with Yahoo... Slurp is going mad on every site that I work with.
In an earlier update, my site was dropped, but recent yahoo update brought my site back into Yahoo.
Almost every bit of my website is indexed now.
>>>Something is shaking with Yahoo
it's always shaking. Yahoo is very unstable. Unlike Google that has its "shake", then gives us a brake for another 3-4 months, Yahoo is shaking every month, or even every week. Sometimes my site goes #1. Then a week later it suddenly drops #30. Than it's back on first page, then... on page 100. The same with my competitors.
I don't care about Yahoo anymore, coz I know: no matter how good is my position today, it's not going to be like that tomorrow.
Well, Google also seems to have an Algo updated lately. My main keywords are still on same positions but the visitorís rate dropped 30% on Google. However, I'm fine with Yahoo, see no negative changes!
"it's always shaking. Yahoo is very unstable. Unlike Google that has its "shake", then gives us a brake for another 3-4 months, Yahoo is shaking every month, or even every week. Sometimes my site goes #1. Then a week later it suddenly drops #30. Than it's back on first page, then... on page 100. The same with my competitors."
I don't think this is a sign of instability. More like a sign of a strong engine.
What makes more sense and which is better for webmasters, mixing up results and keeping them fresh, or having our site drop out of Google for months (and still counting) b/c of silly issues like 301s and dup content?
Also, when was the last time you had new commerical site indexed in Google?
>>>no matter how good is my position today, it's not going to be like that tomorrow.
Haven't had that experience at all - actually, after an update, I can usually count on the index being stale/as is for several weeks.
I have found Google to be the least stable ('everflux' anyone?) and Yahoo to be the most. MSN in the middle.
One of our websites went from being penalized, to being #1, to being #78 - all in one month! I don't call this stable.
Does anyone know what is going on with Yahoo? We have a site that was ranked #78 for a keyword this morning. A few hours later it was ranked #1. Now it is ranked #78 again.
>>>what is going on with Yahoo
It is updating-tweaking and things will continue to move until they're done. They update almost in a "dance" fashion as Google used to from what I've observed over the last two or three months.
A search for one of the largest industry groups in the US has a geocities site at #10 with the title "This site no longer available". That is pathetic by any measure.
care to sticky me that niche/keyword?
Does anyone get the feeling that Yahoo is trying to copy Google a little too much?
It seems that while Google has been improving its Search Results and features lately, Yahoo has been behind and is showing horrendous results.
I feel if Yahoo discontinued benchmarking Google (with respect to Search Engine Algorithms), Yahoo would be in much better shape.
Couldn't agree more; they just bit off more than they can chew. Improve upon what you are, don't constantly try and be something your not.
I don't know what the "Yahoo's" at Yahoo are up to but, it defiantly isn't pretty. They are indexing everything and ignoring robots.txt file just to claim their index is bigger. I could care less personally. Its all a matter of how that "bigger" index is sorted and presented to me.
Their new spam prevention techniques have done nothing but hurt good, honest webmasters for no reason.
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Well, as for my experience, the SERPS at Yahoo are really not settled. My site as moved from the first position, to nowhere, then to third position, then to 22, then to 18 (for three days) and now it's again nowhere to be found.
Arghhh I hope I can comeback to first or third, but I have a bad feeling about this, Is everyone's site moving like that lately?
What could be the cause of such position changing?
Yahoo is still bouncing around.
They seem to have gone to a smaller index again, (not as small as the one seen Saturday) but smaller.
Wonder why they do this - I have no doubt (well a little) it will bounce back again.
Guess this is just the way it updates - perhaps they have to clear some old data before adding some new?
I hope all my competitors boycott Yahoo! also.
My site has been back in its #1 spot for a few days and it hasn't moved. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that it stays there.
We also are not doing well in Yahoo like we were. I hope they go back to the old listings from a 12 weeks ago.
>>>They are indexing everything and ignoring robots.txt file just to claim their index is bigger
Actually, they are "discovering" the URL's. They don't cache them, or index their content - just that the URL exists. FYI, Google does this as well.
As a general comment - maybe some day, we can have an actual algo dicsussion at some point and not a thread of 200 "my site went down, I hate Yahoo" - "my site went up, Yahoo rocks".... someday...
yeah we run a huge site and are an actual manufacturer yet for reasons unknown and unexplained we've been banned by yahoo for months. Looking at the serps makes me wanna hurl. How they can ban quality sites with tons of unique content, while listing the keyword spam domains and subdomains is completely beyond me.
Yahoo, if your reading this, fix your broken search engine already - we are all sick of it.
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