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marty98




msg:835243
 9:06 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have been trying to get a concrete answer about why our rankings have disappeared in yahoo but all responses from yahoo via their email link are too vague or they just dont answer question so I am trying to get this done without their help.

Here is the problem. In past we created sites such as city1-widget.com and city2-widget.com. Following a Yahoo update those sites got dumped by yahoo, after good ranking, and we wrote to yahoo and they said make a supersite where all those sites are consolidated. We did that even though that meant alot of content got duplicated but kept the old sites since some did regain some ranking and cross linked it.

The supersite is doing extremely well in google but in yahoo the new national site has no ranking, but the old city centered sites have in some case second page type ranking. We are convinced that the best course is to use 301 redirects to purge out the old sites and hope this ends a duplicate content and cross linking ban, which we can only assume and hope the rankings for the old site get transferred in some cases.

But is it enough to just end the cross linking? Will Yahoo remember the cross linking to the new national site and keep it banned?

[edited by: martinibuster at 9:36 pm (utc) on Sep. 20, 2005]
[edit reason] Added paragraph breaks. [/edit]

 

martinibuster




msg:835244
 9:49 pm on Sep 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seems like you received a lot of help from Yahoo.

Why didn't you get rid of the mini-sites, though? It seems like you took Yahoo's advice half-way by building the integrated site while maintaining the existing sites they didn't like.

Btw, why didn't they like the mini-sites? Was it excessive linking between them, or was it a template similarity issue, where the difference between content wasn't enough to call it original?

soapystar




msg:835245
 6:50 am on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

yup, your very lucky to have had the help you did.

however you dont seem to be saying your sites were'nt banned since you say your mini sites are ranked. Sounds like a filter and not a no-hope-forget-it-and-move-on-ban.

And yeah, why keep the minisites? For Google? Sounds a bit like cake and eat type thing. You seem to be saying 301 from mini to super. Seems a sure way to make sure any legacy negative affects from the mini sites are passed to the supersite if thats what you are saying.

Its abit confusing cause you talk about a supersite and a national site, are they the same thing?

webhound




msg:835246
 1:47 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah sounds like you were one of the few were Yahoo actually offered some sort of explaination.

Dump the feeder sites and focus your resources on the main site. Make your content unique and plentiful, get honest links and you'll be fine in Yahoo and every other engine.

soapystar




msg:835247
 4:08 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

thats very interesting you say get honest links....do you mean genuine one way inbounds unpaid for? Because they regard anything else as spam.

webhound




msg:835248
 4:29 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey Soapystar - yes thats what I meant.

Although the one way links are hard to "go out and get", as they either happen on their own because your site is so rich with content that others want to link, or they don't. But I was also referring to reciprocal links. Do you think reciprocal links are bad?

martinibuster




msg:835249
 4:31 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Because they regard anything else as spam.

Oh brother...

webhound




msg:835250
 6:30 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

MB - lol

soapystar




msg:835251
 6:42 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

yup..anything else as spam.....!

cause the idea of telling someone to get links and then saying they cant/should not be harvested in anyway doesnt make sense..thats why im saying they regard any harvesting as spam...how do you get links and have no input in those links?..

sure you put up content that people want to link to..but thats taken as obvious...when i hear someone say get links i assume they mean harvesting..

<added for my own amusment>sister!</added for my own amusment>

soapystar




msg:835252
 8:40 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

ss - lol!

martinibuster




msg:835253
 8:49 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey Soapy, that's a conundrum that Google faces, too. Anything you do to influence ranking is going to be spam, and that includes reciprocal links. The claim by those who say they do it for the traffic is weak, imo. It's generally for the search engine rankings.

However it seems to me that the egregious rank manipulators who attach huge multi-category reciprocal link directories to their websites are the ones that piss off the search engineers most of all. One of them told me he saw no basic use for that except for rank manipulation.

As far as ye olde basic recip campaign, that still seems to work.

webhound




msg:835254
 9:05 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seriously though I can relate to this topic as I have been trying to get the company's site that I've recently started with "unbanned". Haven't had any success thus far though. (the ban happened before i started so it's sooo not anything i've done.)

What I am wondering is, is it normal for slurp to keep crawling the site aggressively even though they have a manual ban on the site?

And why am I seeing these other yahoo spiders never seen them in logs before.
YahooSeeker/1.2
YahooSeeker/CafeKelsa
YahooSeeker/CafeKelsa-dev
YahooSeeker/1.0

soapystar




msg:835255
 9:24 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

As far as ye olde basic recip campaign, that still seems to work.

agreed. Except for anyone trying to come out of a ban theres no apparent threshold, you just cant have one. So if the point of this thread is about unbanning then you simply cant 'get' links if you think the eyes on you.

What I am wondering is, is it normal for slurp to keep crawling the site aggressively even though they have a manual ban on the site?

yes its normal for them to crawl, but not agressively. The giveaway is normally the robots to actual pages ratio of crawling.

BillyS




msg:835256
 11:51 pm on Sep 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

The giveaway is normally the robots to actual pages ratio of crawling

That's exactly what I see. Almost a 1:1 relationship for robots:page.

stargeek




msg:835257
 1:17 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

a site that had the site:domain.com only shows index page and doesn't come up for a search on its domain name just recently started appearing at the top of the SERPs for its domain name, but nothing else and nothing more in the site: search.

a sign of reinclusion?

ps I never submitted it for reinclusion, I figured it was useless.

marty98




msg:835258
 5:30 pm on Sep 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Let me add some details. The supersite is a national site that now has all states and city within this domain. As we waited for several months the national site received no yahoo ranking, while some of the city.widget.com sites got ranking. Only the national index page is in yahoo but the site has over 2000 visits from yahoo crawl this month. I read that 301s can cause some ranking drops for several months and we would like to avoid this. Can we just purge out the cross links off the older city sites? Problem is we are operating in the dark since yahoo will not give us a concrete answer we can work with.

rjfreitas




msg:835259
 5:01 pm on Oct 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

When you say banned, do you mean the site is not in yahoo at all? Or you just don't show up anymore for your keywords? How do you know if you are banned?

If I still get some traffic from Yahoo am I not banned?

I get 4 or 5 pages crawled day, and it is also one to one. Robot page then one other page.

I was on the first page of Yahoo for most of the keyword/pages on my site. Then one day I was gone. I still show up on page 2 for a couple of my pages. But if I do a site:domain.com all of my pages show up. I still get a little traffic from Yahoo when the searches are very specific. Any idea why this would happpen?

Any comments/suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks!

BillyS




msg:835260
 7:14 pm on Oct 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I get 4 or 5 pages crawled day, and it is also one to one. Robot page then one other page.

This is the same exact pattern that I see. Nearly a 1: 1 robot hit:page slurped.

stargeek




msg:835261
 1:26 pm on Oct 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

"If I still get some traffic from Yahoo am I not banned?"

generally if you do a site:www.domain.com search on your site in yahoo and only your domain root comes up, you're banned.

Webdetective




msg:835262
 12:32 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does Yahoo or any other search engine automatically eventually lift bans without any reinclusion request, provided you have removed all the violations and cleaned up your site? I was using script-generated directory style doorway pages, but I removed all of them after I got caught and also fixed a few other possible problems.

Slurp has been slowly spidering my site since, but I understand that doesn't mean anything good or bad.

jaffstar




msg:835263
 11:19 am on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

egregious rank manipulators who attach huge multi-category reciprocal link directories to their websites are the ones that piss off the search engineers most of all.

This, I hope is the reason one my sites is banned in Yahoo. Although there are possibly only 20 links in this system, what the system represents in yahoo's eyes is what is causing the ban.

I have contacted Yahoo and got a canned automated response with about 10 possible reasons.

When I try spider the otherwise clean site, the spiders seem to be running loops with the recip software.

Let's hope this removes the problem....

rjfreitas




msg:835264
 1:33 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

What are the 10 reasons? I am curious now, can you post them?

randle




msg:835265
 1:38 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

[help.yahoo.com...]

Nothing new here, their penalities are all very mysterious.

Webdetective




msg:835266
 1:54 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I certainly know why I'm guilty and I'm not ashamed to admit it - Rankingpower. I cleaned up my act, but I'm now hopelessly stuck at the moment how to redesign my homepage (different site than one in my profile) to make it acceptable to Yahoo for reinclusion. I might seriously consider hiring a SEO professional who's fees are reasonable to help me fix the problem. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

jaffstar




msg:835267
 2:01 pm on Oct 4, 2005 (gmt 0)


- Cloaking (showing crawlers deceptive content about a site)
- Massive domain interlinking- Use of affiliate programs without the addition of substantial unique content
- Use of reciprocal link programs (aka "link farms")
- Hidden text
- Excessive keyword repetition

Hmmm, the only thing I am possibly guilty on is the "reciprocal link programs ".

ALbino




msg:835268
 7:20 pm on Oct 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anybody know the URL or e-mail to contact Yahoo about being banned? My site is completely gone from the index, lost 30+ directory links (that they themselves added) and yet can still strangely be found in the Yahoo Images search. I didn't change a single thing outside of adding new content and am completely white hat, so I'm not sure what happened. I tried resubmitting via SiteExplorer, but that didn't work. I thought maybe a simple e-mail would clear it up. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks!

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