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Linking to a banned by Yahoo site
Even if that site provides good content.......... Will it affect my Yahoo Serps?
crobb305




msg:822055
 5:55 pm on Aug 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have been linking to a site that appears to have been "banned" in Yahoo. The site I link to was once high in the serps and now is listed homepage only, ranking no where. Should I continue to link to it? Does Yahoo consider this linking to a "bad neighborhood"? The site has great information on it.

Chris

 

twebdonny




msg:822056
 7:40 pm on Aug 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Link to us, we are banned by Yahoo, that way you
can test your theory!

jd01




msg:822057
 8:07 pm on Aug 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are you building you site for the visitors or Yahoo!?
The answer to that is the answer to your question.

Also, it appears, (to me), that Y! has made a mistake with the latest update, and they will probably correct it... The site you are referring to could have been 'banned' prematurely, or inadvertently.

Justin

twebdonny




msg:822058
 9:01 pm on Aug 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not to worry, Yahoo Tim or Mike or whomever is the new pitchman will be around tomorrow to sell the new Yahoo YPN
product. They will be sure to say yes...ohhh...really...tell us more....wow.....I understand...I'm right on it.....and on and on....

then when the pitch/sale is over, you will not hear from them again....

Don't believe me? Just watch....

[edited by: martinibuster at 12:40 am (utc) on Aug. 3, 2005]
[edit reason] TOS#24 [/edit]

crobb305




msg:822059
 12:19 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

jd01 said
Are you building you site for the visitors or Yahoo!

Obviously, I am building my site for my visitors; that is why I made this post. But, there is an inherent concern of losing rankings because of linking to "bad neighborhoods". The whole "build your site for visitors" concept is extremely naive, because if you don't have decent rankings in the search engines (playing the game), you will NOT have "visitors". Thus, we go full circle back to my original question...Will Yahoo penalize a webpage/site for linking to another page/site that has been "banned" by their staff/algorithms despite the quality content that page/site my have to offer?

jd01




msg:822060
 12:36 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

No, obviously you are building you pages for SE's...

The short answer is:
NO, do not link to it.

Naive V Natural : It is natural to link to good, on topic sites for your visitors - It is not natural to check their staus in every SE before linking to them.

The longer answer is:
How stable is your site in the index - could it stand to link to an on-topic site that does not rank well?

How long has the site been banned for?

Is it banned in all SE's or just Yahoo?

If the site returned to the index tomorrow would it help your site rank better?

Have you viewed the source on the site to see if there is anything that would lead you to know why it is banned?

How about the sites it links to?

How about the back links from sites that link to it - does it appear to be using a spam technique for BL count?

Is there a duplicate of the site?

Have you thought about encrypting the link?

How about Nofollow?

Maybe an external JS file?

Justin

Added:
No, obviously you are building you pages for SE's...

I do not think this is necessarily a bad thing - There are some site I do this with, but the answer to the question normally puts things into perspective for me... If it is a SE site - I answer the question one way, If it is an informational site - I try my best to find a work around to any SEO issue that comes up and sometimes even break the rule of the neighbor policy.

[edited by: jd01 at 12:40 am (utc) on Aug. 3, 2005]

crobb305




msg:822061
 12:39 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

jd01,

No offense. But, you are preaching to someone who has been in this business for a very long time. I am not "building" for SE's. I am "building" for business. That means: "building" for business, SE rankings, advertising opportunities, and lots of traffic. Yes, it is "naive" to think you can seperate web marketing into "building for visitors" and "building for SEs" because in the end, we all want one thing----Traffic.

When a search engine "bans" a webpage or website there MAY be a trickle-down effect, whereby sites/pages that link to it could be penalized. It is very unfortunate that Yahoo has chosen to ban some very good content sites, and it would be even more unfortunate for the pages linking to those sites to be penalized. But, who knows with Yahoo?

Thank you for your input.

C

jd01




msg:822062
 12:52 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Crobb,

I was editing my post while you were posting, so let me respond one more time, and then I will leave you alone - Maybe my communication is lacking.

I run a number of sites in a niche. I do not overlap information and do not duplicate my content. Some of these sites are built to rank. Some of the sites are built to be read by users. The sites to be read by users break many of the SEO rules, but rank for highly specific terms, so they only get *very* targeted traffic and then provide a large amount of useful content to the user that was looking for the information.

On these sites I do not check for the ranking of the site I am linking to, nor do I worry about placement, etc. - Here is where I do some things backwards to most - I then link from the site that ranks to the specific content site and allow the targeted SE traffic and the traffic from an SEO'd site provide the traffic. This keeps me from having to avoid linking to good information from a main site, because of a bad neighbor - my site built for the visitor provides a 'buffer' between the SEO'd site and the poor rankings of some bad neighbors, but I can still offer a fully information site to my visitors.

I guess my point is there are times/sites where it is OK to not think about the SE's, because not all sites are designed to rank for broad high-traffic terms. Added: That's why I was asking the question.

Hope this makes sense.

Have a good day.

Justin

tictoc




msg:822063
 12:58 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

JD01,

How about Nofollow?

You are a shady webmaster if you put up a NoFollow in my opinion and you will for sure get banned! Unless of course its used on a blog/forum.


Have you thought about encrypting the link?

What do you mean by this with a site to site link? I am not sure what the purpose of this would be or what you mean by this.


Maybe an external JS file?

Can you go into detail what you are referring to.

Its looks like he was asking a simple question that should get a yes or no answer. I would like to know the answer myself so perhaps we could ask this to Yahoo Mike or Tim and hope that they reply this question.

crobb305




msg:822064
 1:01 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would like to know the answer myself so perhaps we could ask this to Yahoo Mike or Tim and hope that they reply this question.

Definitely would be a good question for someone at Y! to answer: If one of their staff have decided to "ban" a seemingly good content website (Whereby "good content" is determined by the webmasters who choose to link to it), will other sites that link to that site also get penalized? Will there be a never-ending trickle-down effect? I obviously want to build my site for my visitors by linking to the content I deem suitable; but, I certainly don't want to lose those visitors because of lost rankings as a result of some sort of "bad neighborhood" penalty.

C

jd01




msg:822065
 1:09 am on Aug 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi TicToc,

An encrypted link, a link stored in an external JavaScript file, and links that call a php file previous to taking a visitor off site are not links a SE can/will follow.

Putting the link inside of an external JS file with a 'onclick location' etc. will make it so a SE cannot/will not (for the most part) follow the link.

Sites that use a php file to manage links (EG when you mouse over the link anchor and get /links/site.php?location=id145) are (for the most part) not using links that are followed by SE's

An encrypted link is the same nature as the JS link, except it resides on the page, and will not be followed by SE's. (With Google, this one is easy, you do not have to encrypt it even all you have to do is add an?ID=1322MORESTUFFHERE to the end of the link, because G does not follow links with ID query strings in them, so you can safely links about anywhere and know it will not be followed by G)

Justin

Added:

Like I said in my second post the simple yes/no answer is NO, do not link to the site, because there is a good chance you may be penalized/filtered/dropped in ranking for linking to a site that Y! deems unacceptable. I have not seen where this results in the site linking to it being banned, but it may impact search results.

That is why I asked the first two questions in the longer answer of my second post - if the site is solid, and can take a small hit, you might get away with it. If not do not put the link on, until the site you are linking to has been re-added to the index.

JaySmith




msg:822066
 3:01 pm on Aug 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Cloak the link... Use nofollow if slurp is visiting.. Yahoo is basically forcing you to do this..

If it is truly a site that should get the natural link due to its quality then this will give them the vote they deserve in msn and google while just protecting your site in Yahoo. It's a win-win situation.. For your site, for the other site that merits a link, and above all for your visitors.

There is basically no way that this will be reported as cloacking as your compititor would have to scan your entire html to see if it matches the cached page.

soapystar




msg:822067
 7:28 pm on Aug 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

where does this idea of yahoo banned sites being in bad neighbourhoods come from? Wheres the evidence for that? they arent part of neighbourhoods they are a large collection of sites that for one reason or other yahoo has decided they dont want found in searches. While there are no doubt some dodgy sites in that bunch many of them are in no way into unethical or such practices.

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