| 12:40 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
You have a point, however in a number of keyword search areas i follow i find a number of situations where the same site can control 60/70 out of the first 100 results by using area1-domain, area2-domain, area3-domain etc and Yahoo is daft enough to rank each one, one after the other. The pages all link back, so Yahoos new algo rates the pages as having good anchor links. I dont think i can ever recall google having this kind of problem. And as for pages with no content but a metta title thats relevent to the search term ranking high well that takes the biscuit.
When the results are less than 3% relevent its time for Yahoo to say, "Sorry we messed up here big style, we will revert them back to what they were and try again once we have worked out the problem."
Oh and one last point. If you are number 1 in Yahoo and all around you are dross you have to wonder how long its going to be before visitors go elsewhere to search.
Search users want quality, relevent results with lots of choice.
| 7:39 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Quick question ... It's been a week now , has anyone recovered their usual ( before the update) Yahoo traffic?
| 9:50 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
nopes. my traffic has NOT returned back to normal and it really blows. revenue is disgustingly low.
| 8:02 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)|
What's the latest on the search update guys today?
| 2:26 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Scrapers and negative impacts.
I honestly believe that Yahoo's new algo allows scraper sites to link your web sites into a "bad neighborhood" by associating your domains with huge affiliate spam scraper portals.
I'm seeing a great deal of linking to my web site but not to hotlink images or refer traffic or because they love me so much. These scraper links appear to be targeted toward specific terms and they link themselves to your web site using your title and description. They targeted many of my competitors top listed domains for specific keywords but not all of them. This is a sophisticated inlink scheme and what is interesting to note is not one page from these scrapers has PR in Google GEE I WONDER WHY?
Welcome to the same old seo anti-rank link portal schemes using redirects and keyword spam to associate your web site to scraper domains thus reducing your domains relevancy in Yahoo. At least that is what I believe is happening. I see way to much garbage.
If things don't change it will get much much worse. Just do a "linkdomain:" in Yahoo search and find your scraper friends. They will start appearing like gang busters.
| 5:48 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This has definitely stuck. We have lots more pages but are now not showing in our regional listings which really messes us up whilst obviously making a mockery of the SERPS. I'm thinking because it's been so long it's cynical - either sandbox effect or plugging our revenue potential.
| 6:29 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"Just do a "linkdomain:" in Yahoo search and find your scraper friends. "
Ugh! I did it and i found a few k's from throw and go scraperhacker domains .Warning!if your site is on top ten for popular searches those scams of the internet will include you in there junk garden.
| 6:45 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|Warning!if your site is on top ten for popular searches those scams of the internet will include you in there junk garden. |
You say that as if it's a bad thing.
Scraper Sites: Harmless Bogey Man?
| 8:02 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Using a certain rank checking tool I'm seeing huge, ugly changes right now but not replicated on yahoo.com or not yet. Could be the big, 'florida', one.
| 9:09 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am seeing huge changes as well and boy does it look UGLY!
| 9:16 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am not seeing anything different today.
What are you guys seeing?
More/less pages indexed?
Change in ranks?
| 9:25 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am not seeing anything different today.
What are you guys seeing?
More/less pages indexed?
Change in ranks?
I am seeing huge changes in pages indexed, ranks and major filters have been applied so much that everything no longer seems relevant!
If these changes stick my competitors are in for a world of hurt on Yahoo! :>~
How I have stayed in Top 10 and my competitors have all been wiped out is beyond me but I'll take it! :>~
Honestly thought these SERPS are looking rather horrific Yahoo!
| 9:30 am on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Actually, I better shut my mouth...These SERPS are jumping WILDLY at the moment! I better sleep and see what happens tomorrow when it settles before I make bad judgements. :>~
| 12:31 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
This morning I have noticed massive changes that really look ugly.
I do not know if these results should be called comical or chronicle...maybe both. I keep trying to clear my cookies hoping these serps will go away. Unfortunately they are sticking without being cookie driven. It is unimaginable to me why Yahoo would make this a live index. These results are the worst they have been since the first serps they introduced after disembarking from Google. At least they had an excuse at the time for being green to search. It just seems that over the past few months they have slowly been going backwards in quality and this just took them to a new level.
I am noticing that Overture, Altavista, Alltheweb, CNN, Websearch, Puresearch(Positiontech), etc. have not changed with these results this morning. These all had movement in the initial jolt several days ago that ran parallel with the Yahoo serps. Wonder why they have not changed this time
| 12:58 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Time for another knee-jerk unprofessional response (blame the heat), having seen what is presumably a further stage in this two-week roll-out.
Dire, dire results. Almost wholly lacking in quality sites. Following on from an earlier Steveb comment, Y! should perhaps consider a re-brand to Y.-Y-Y.Y- - subdomains-n-hyphens-n-keywords-R-us.
Said it at the beginning, say it again now - are you using a single Quality Signal in these results? I'd love to think this is Y! simply getting their ducks in a row, but I doubt it.
| 1:05 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My guess is that big changes are on the immediate horizon - perhaps today through the weekend. My site's now dropping around 15 pages a day and it won't take much more before it's gone altogher. Yesterday showing around 35 pages, this morning about 21 (from a high of 700).
I'm keeping my fingers crossed and believe when my count reaches near zero, then it's going to spring back up. Well, it's pretty close to that number right now.
| 1:32 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think at this time we should not make the final conclusions and wait to see what is going to happen on August 1, Monday.
I have a feeling that Monday Yahoo may also release much unticipated YPN.
| 2:14 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I thought the April 1st fiasco was over, now another really bad update by Yahoo. I have been writing to them almost on a daily basis, providing my feedback. Guess what though, after each message I send, I slip further and further down the chute. Went from #3 to # 18 (page 2), while duplicate sites and portal sites continue to climb. I hate to see Yahoo loose market share, but the rumors are that this has already started due to their poor search results.
| 3:11 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Big changes here for sure, (East Coast) it would be hard to believe this will stick, hopefully some sort of transitional stage with better quality to come at some point.
| 3:28 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"These SERPS are jumping WILDLY at the moment!"
"I do not know if these results should be called comical"
"I am seeing huge changes in pages indexed, ranks and major filters have been applied so much that everything no longer seems relevant!"
Ditto on all these. I was somewhat shocked at the non-relevancy of the yahoo serps today. This has got to be reshuffling in progress because if these results stick, it's not good for yahoo.
| 4:17 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
In my niche I do not see an ugly update.
I see a cleaner update.
The results are fine.
| 4:34 pm on Jul 29, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Do any Yahoo DataCentre check tools exist? Like MacDar for Google.
| 1:55 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I hate to see Yahoo loose market share, but the rumors are that this has already started due to their poor search results. |
That's news I'd like to link to - could you point us to some of these "rumors"?
| 3:09 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
"My site's now dropping around 15 pages a day and it won't take much more before it's gone altogher.
"I'm keeping my fingers crossed and believe when my count reaches near zero, then it's going to spring back up."
Ditto and Ditto.
| 5:30 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Can't rank even for my company name anymore although they finally indexed all the pages. The scrapers rank above me for the name. Possible explanation is that the domain is only 3 month old or as someone else pointed out the scrapers pushing the site down due to major in-linking.
| 6:10 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Hmmm. What I'm seeing now are the SERP's I mentioned in msg# 206. Probably the worst set of SERP's I've seen Y put out in, well, ever. Whatever they're doing, with all good intent no doubt, is killing relevant subpages in favor of mass/bulk sites with little content matching 3+ word searches in way too many cases.
My only advice to those who are stressing: They can't afford to keep it this way for long. Either they're not done, or this is, dare I say it, a set of SERP's measured in part by how many visitors are pushed into the ads. I never believed G was doing that, despite many savvy wm's telling me so. I don't yet believe it here either.
Time will tell. ;-)
| 6:49 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Recent Updates are very positive. However the SERPS are old when you view them on www.yahoo.com on different machines.
Is there an I.P address that is showing the new results.
| 6:58 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
We are also hoping that ours changes to what they were a 10 days ago.
| 7:07 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Did anyone else just feel that?
| 7:29 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
mb - from the man wanting 'details and analysis' - c'mon, give a bit. What did they done do?
[Added shortly afterwards] - I see a slight change, for the worse, from yesterday. I tell you, if I had to draw up a top-twenty list of the most slack, lame, crummy, hackneyed, keywords-'n-recips-are-all-we got sites, well ... I wouldn't need to, cuz Y! beat me to it, and they're showing in positions 1 to 20. Analyse what? Again, it's turd-painting time.
| 8:30 am on Jul 30, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Did anyone else just feel that?"
Suddenly the oddest results I have ever seen in my niche. Not necessarlly irrelevant, just odd.
Kind of interesting to see sites that I have NEVER come across before.