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Yahoo Update
Seeing Major Serp Changes
MLHmptn

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Msg#: 3468 posted 6:16 am on Jul 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is it just me or has there been a Yahoo update in the SERPs?

Seems my positions are fluctuating all over the place at the moment.

And, why can't we name Yahoo updates? Yahoo seems to be updating every couple of weeks now and it's spiders won't leave my sites! :>~

 

jbgilbert

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Msg#: 3468 posted 1:01 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Whoa...... Not good Yahoo.

After some close checking I agree with the following comments (some made by others, few of my own):

- Crappy affiliate sites have begun to dominate. (bad)

- Made for adsense sites are rampant (bad, great for google!)

- lonnnnggggg file names with keywords in them win (no mater the quality of the site). Heck Yahoo the name alone should tell you NOT to rank it high! (bad)

- home pages are being blown away by interior pages (bad, and definitely not a good thing to do)

Google kinda drove me to using Yahoo more in my searches, but if these results stay, I'll be looking elsewhere to do my work -- right now that would be Teoma.

steveb

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Msg#: 3468 posted 1:34 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe I'm being Charlie Brown here, but Tim on the Yahoo blog does say: "changes will continue over the next week or two."

If they did dump some more types of pages in, but haven't rolled out quality algo elements, that would explain the mess, so hopefully we will see improvement over the next couple weeks.

(repeat after me: 100,000 blog comment links is a red flag, not a signal of quality...)

bd4rr

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Msg#: 3468 posted 1:40 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

To keep everybody posted, this morning all my sites lost about 90% of the indexed pages. Now (9:30pm EST) the figure for my biggest site has come back to normal, others recovered a little. Hope it can stay.

I guess it's just like Tim said: "changes will continue over the next week or two".

edd1

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Msg#: 3468 posted 1:47 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looking on yahoo.com, my one index page listed has, in fact, gone to over 200. However in the New Zealand results where the site is based and hosted, my one page has vanished. I was number one for the name of the site and now nowhere, I do hope that the results migrate to the local search results, thats how it used to happen in the good old days of the google updates.

otc_cmnn

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Msg#: 3468 posted 1:56 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

i'm there - i'm gone - i'm there - i'm gone. Zero pages in index - 700 pages in index.

Sure yahoo will take a week or two to roll it out, but why not roll it out over two weeks THEN reveal it to the public? it is just plain embarrassing for them right now. I'd short their stock but it looks like someone else is already a step ahead of me. They are down 11.5% today - OUCH!

mikey158

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Msg#: 3468 posted 2:22 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

First time poster, long time reader.

First off, thanks WebmasterWorld for a great site. I have learned many things here, although sometimes its hard to sepearte fact from fiction.

The update has bumped me between 5 and 6 spots on page 1. I am down to 9 now.

However, the real interesting (problem) thing I'm seeing now is that much more of my site has been indexed (good), but ALL of the listings now have my IP address listed rather than my domain name (bad). Anyone seeing anything similar? The site has been live since February.

indias next no1

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Msg#: 3468 posted 2:24 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

eventhough my website is listed in good position after the change, i don't see any improvemnet in traffic, the same 200 persons from yahoo.

I just find that most of my pages are not indexed :(

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3468 posted 2:38 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>> Anyone seeing anything similar?

As steveb reminded us, the update has a week or two to go, so I guess it's a Yahoo dance.

It would be very helpful to provide an analysis or guesstimate of why you think a site went up or down.

Bluey

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Msg#: 3468 posted 2:39 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

After months of having only the webpage listed Yahoo has indexed 69 pages yippee yahoo!

Lets hope they stay there...

RogerDagenais

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Msg#: 3468 posted 3:56 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow what an update I went from 6000 pages to 87 000 pages today for my adsense sites!

I really hope this stays!

How much do you guys think yahoo will dance? UP and Down for 2 weeks?

[edited by: engine at 10:18 am (utc) on July 21, 2005]

codeblue

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Msg#: 3468 posted 5:20 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

That's the problem Roger.
Adsense sites and oher affiliate garbage has taken over the quality spots for now.

Pisses me off to no end.

jcmiras

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Msg#: 3468 posted 5:37 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some people posting in this thread says, Y update drops spammers and some says spammers are now topping the Y SERP. So i think, its just "neutral". Just like the MSN update.

quotations

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Msg#: 3468 posted 5:54 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is anyone else getting no response from

www.yahoo.com and from

buzz.yahoo.com?

Both of those are DOA from here.

groups.yahoo.com and
search.yahoo.com are responding.

andyll

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Msg#: 3468 posted 6:09 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Anybody have an idea what was changed with this update? Anybody see more emphasis on link analysis or is it strictly on page?

It seems to me they have added more weight to on-page factors and maybe adding the age as a factor now, which isn't much of a surprise.

LOL... I am seeing the opposite. 2/3 of my yahoo traffic went away today after a steady climb for months. Google & Yahoo were neck and neck until today.

I have been concentrating on content the last 6 months and not IBLs.

My in-depth articles are now getting beaten by bigger sites with only a sentence or 2 on the subject and forum messages.

I'm not getting beaten by spam sites but ones with shallow content.

Andy

fi5hbone

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Msg#: 3468 posted 6:21 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

yeah..yahoo screwed me up really badly. my site is highly dependent on yahoo and after this update, my traffic all went away. terribly disappointing and i'm super not in the mood. type in a certain keyword and the first 5 entries have links pages coming out instead of content pages. it's terribly crappy. and these links have the same keyword repeating a few times. extremely boring.

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:29 pm (utc) on July 21, 2005]
[edit reason] TOS#26 [/edit]

edd1

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Msg#: 3468 posted 6:29 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is definitely a multi-stage update so I wouldn't be too concerned yet. Our site isn't showing on it's national search but is on yahoo.com with heaps of new pages indexed so it's just a matter of time till that migrates over (I hope!) This means there must be lots of other buttons to be pushed and levers to be pulled I would say.

DavidT

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Msg#: 3468 posted 6:40 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

On one site which has had most of its rankings for internal pages pulverised in this update i notice if you make the search exact match the pages rank where you might expect them to again, outranking other well-optimised pages from other sites.

Take away the quotes and theyre gonners.

Powdork

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Msg#: 3468 posted 6:59 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow what an update I went from 6000 pages to 87 000 pages today for my adsense sites!

I really hope this stays!

That's the problem Roger.
Adsense sites and oher affiliate garbage has taken over the quality spots for now.

Pisses me off to no end.

I kinda have a feeling Roger knew that.

[edited by: engine at 1:13 pm (utc) on July 21, 2005]

Dayo_UK

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Msg#: 3468 posted 9:25 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo! indeed.

More pages added today - OK, leaving the filters etc aside as they may not have been fully added.

Yahoo is by far the search engine thas has indexed deepest into my site.

For that fact - well done Yahoo.

Wonder what the index size is nowadays (might be bigger than G - (by the way Google - url onlys dont count :) ))

MoveyourwebSEO

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Msg#: 3468 posted 10:05 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow!

First I was really shocked when I saw that one of my sites got link popularity from 38(yesterday) to 1970 (!).

Unfortunalety, I don't see any changes in SERPs, but this update is still going on. Let's see..

badass101

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Msg#: 3468 posted 10:28 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow!

(Sorry if I'm slow - just seen this topic!)

Well, my site that launched in March (that only had the index page listed in Yahoo!) has suddenly jumped to 150 pages listed - and just when I was about to give up hope of anything happening.

Another of my sites which is much newer has suddenly got 130 pages listed..

Looks like a big DB/SERPS change to me.

***crosses fingers for extra traffic!

badass101

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Msg#: 3468 posted 10:34 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Having said that - searching for a 5 word phrase that is the title of one of my articles, along with the title of my site, brings back my homepage with the article not seen on the 1st 5 pages of SERPS

So it looks like the pages are there (when I search with the domain name) but they aren't fully ranking yet. Another 'sandbox'? or just the fact that the database tex t indexes haven't updated yet?

Clint



 
Msg#: 3468 posted 11:46 am on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Some people posting in this thread says, Y update drops spammers and some says spammers are now topping the Y SERP. So i think, its just "neutral". Just like the MSN update.

It just depends on for what you search. In my field, I'm still seeing crap.

ska_demon

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Msg#: 3468 posted 12:15 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

MoveyourwebSEO

First I was really shocked when I saw that one of my sites got link popularity from 38(yesterday) to 1970 (!).

I would check that these are not links from scraper sites. There are some good threads here at the moment that explain the problems.

Ska

MoveyourwebSEO

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Msg#: 3468 posted 12:30 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

To ska_demon

Well, "scraper sites"? Could you provide links to the threads? I'm getting interested in this..

CygnusX1

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Msg#: 3468 posted 12:32 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, at least I'm not the only one who have been hurt by this new Yahoo update.

arran

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Msg#: 3468 posted 12:37 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

So it looks like the pages are there (when I search with the domain name) but they aren't fully ranking yet. Another 'sandbox'? or just the fact that the database text indexes haven't updated yet?

badass101,

This is exactly what i'm seeing.

I have new pages in the index (~10% cached, ~90% not).
I'm only ranking for the cached pages so far.

Is the yahoo index getting bigger or are the number of new pages offset by sites losing pages?

Clint



 
Msg#: 3468 posted 12:41 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Crappy affiliate sites have begun to dominate (bad)

Legit merchant/commerce sites seemed to of been striped UNLESS it is a yahoo store in which case they continue to do well.

File naming conventions (http://keyword.domain.com/keyword/keyword.html) are getting plenty o love from Yahoo.

Cloaking STILL works! Shocking...

That's a BIG DEFINITE to all of those, that's exactly what I'm seeing. But worse, regarding the cloaking; in addition to those I'm seeing "search engine bait" pages! Splash pages loaded with BS that redirect to the REAL page which doesn't have $h!t to do with the search! Also, hits with the URL's having the-search-words-in-them.html which are BOGUS pages also having NOTHING to do with the search! You'd think my field was PORN the way the SERP's look to me! And NO, it's NOT. (It's sales and manufacture of goods).

Regarding the "Legit merchant/commerce sites" getting trashed, definitely. It looks like Y is forcing people in sales to go to their paid inclusion! I'm seeing hits to OTHER SEARCH ENGINES, shopping directories, links pages, etc.

Clint



 
Msg#: 3468 posted 12:46 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

It seems to me they have added more weight to on-page factors and maybe adding the age as a factor now, which isn't much of a surprise.

All of my sites were SLAMMED and my main site has been up for over 9 years. Actually, my NEWEST site (not the brand new one page site others may have heard about in the G PR update thread but another one) about 6-8 months old did NOT get hurt as much. FWIW, from what I'm seeing is Y is NOT even looking at on-page factors! Obviously it depends on what the search is for.

(Ho boy, looks like London got hit again). :(

Clint



 
Msg#: 3468 posted 12:55 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>Is the yahoo index getting bigger or are the number of new pages offset by sites losing pages? <<<<

FWIW, a link:mydomain.com is showing about a hundred MORE pages than that of a few days ago. Site:mydomain.com is also showing more pages. Yet, I'm getting slammed.

BillyS

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Msg#: 3468 posted 12:57 pm on Jul 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I run a pure content site wrapped by Adsense. New article each day, hand written.

According to W3, the CSS validates as do all of the XHTML page (900+).

2,580 pages in MSN index
939 in Google
93 in Yahoo

The site is now 15 months old with 13 topics covered. For one particular topic I've got three on-line educational instutions that seem to use my site as part of their lesson plan. Even Wikipedia has a link to that section.

After the April 1st update, Yahoo gave me over 300 referals a day - which I considered good as an entry point. The June update turned traffic into 1 or 2 vistors a day, despite the fact they still had 400+ pages in their index. With this July update, the scene is even more dismal.

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