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Banned From Yahoo - But...
Yahoo's Cache of site in Directory is very fresh?
cyberfyber




msg:846397
 5:24 pm on Jun 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

Can anyone explain this to me? It'd be much appreciated.

My biggest site's been banned from yahoo for over a year now. BUT, the homepage does show up as being part of their directory.

What I just can't fathom, is how is it that the cached version of my homepage always appears to be recent, yet I'm banned? What gives?

Note: the only way my site will come up is by doing a search for domain.com

I'd love to understand this. Maybe it's a whole lot simpler than I thought. What am I Missing here?
Much obliged and thanks.

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:49 am (utc) on June 30, 2005]
[edit reason] TOS#24 [/edit]

 

cyberfyber




msg:846398
 2:17 pm on Jun 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks martinibuster for allowing this in.

Please allow me to clarify. The point of my question is the contradiction of Yahoo Providing a Very FRESH Cache of a site Page yet at the same time banning that very site. I've checked every so often for a long time and the cached version of my page is always off by a day or two.
Isn't that a bit contradictory?

Where exactly does Yahoo's directory come from?

Vulcan315




msg:846399
 11:59 am on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I can't really comment on why the index page is there, and kept current in cache, but I'd think that's not a bad thing.

Do you know why your site is banned?

I was also penalized, and only had my index page listed. I had a PILE of problems on my site, but once I read, learned, and corrected things...it seems that Yahoo! is coming around the slowly adding me back in. Have you corrected the things worng with your site, and if so, how long has it been since the corrections?

Dave

cyberfyber




msg:846400
 2:51 pm on Jul 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Dave for responding at all.

yah, after some soul searching long ago, I realised which of their guidelines I wasn't living up to. I've now re-applied for a second review (okay, technically it'd sum up to a 4th one by now but their last response to me, although canned, was one which made me happy since they'd FINALLY ADMITTED that there WAS a problem with my site...something which they'd never done before).

So Question: Did you put in a request for a re-review yourself? and if so, once? twice? more?

In another thread I've seen mention of how Yahoo will visit your site even if it's banned. But my confusion stemmed from the contradiction of:
They don't like me so they ban me, yet at the same time they like me enough to keep a pretty current cache? I just checked again and yup, it's 2 days off.

btw, CONGRATS on getting somewhere with these folks. Heck, at this point I'd take having my pages at the bottom of the barrel rather than not at all.

PS, to answer your question, I just finalised the changes which involved some 250+ pages out of a total of 900+. My most recent request was yesterday, July 8.

Vulcan315




msg:846401
 12:06 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

"So Question: Did you put in a request for a re-review yourself? and if so, once? twice? more?"

Hello!

Actually, I did it twice. The first time I did it, I got no response. While working on my site and reading here on the forun, I realized that I had another problem that I had not seen. I repaired that, and requested again.

"In another thread I've seen mention of how Yahoo will visit your site even if it's banned. But my confusion stemmed from the contradiction of:
They don't like me so they ban me, yet at the same time they like me enough to keep a pretty current cache? I just checked again and yup, it's 2 days off."

I don't understand that at all, but I'm guessing that they are watching for the owner to fix things. Just a guess... They were hitting my site sometimes twice a day (once I learned how to read my access logs).

"btw, CONGRATS on getting somewhere with these folks. Heck, at this point I'd take having my pages at the bottom of the barrel rather than not at all."

Yeah, I'm very releived. I've been on this forum for some time, reading and learning more about how messed up my site really was, heheheheh... I just checked and saw that Yahoo! is slowly adding more and more pages of my site, so it looks like I got back in grace after all the fixes. Whew, it was a lot of work on my site (several hundred pages)... but from the looks of all the errors I found, it was way behind schedule for a facelift! Now, I can concentrat more on running my business :-)

"PS, to answer your question, I just finalised the changes which involved some 250+ pages out of a total of 900+. My most recent request was yesterday, July 8"

I'll shoot you a sticky with a couple other notes, maybe it'll help.

Dave

cyberfyber




msg:846402
 3:12 pm on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Vulcan315,

'got it.

I hope my action wasn't too late. But who knows, maybe you're right. Maybe they really are keeping an eye on me. If so then that would be good.
:-)

DaveN




msg:846403
 6:21 pm on Jul 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are to types of ban in Yahoo..

one will show the Url and one won't..

if you get no results returned without your url Yahoo believe you site is complete rubbish... I know they have had a few of mine..

if you get the url they believe that you may have a real site, but it broke their TOS.. but in the interest of the yahoo surfers if somebody is looking for your site then yahoo will give it to them.. domain only ;)

if that makes sense

DaveN

disspy




msg:846404
 12:43 pm on Jul 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi there,

Well, I have almost the same problem and I wonder if anyone of you guys could help me or advise me what to do. Iíve contacted support guys from Yahoo but it seems they use some kind of auto-response engines, not directly automatic, but it seems the guy just copied and pasted me some URLs with Yahoo Guidelines and some support FAQs etc. However I read all this stuff before and couldnít find ANY irregularities on my sites which donít agree with their TOS.

Let me explain the whole situation. I used the content from my site A, and put it on another domain on site B (placed on same server). Also I havenít put site A down, I just put different content and replaced old content. Obviously this was a big mistake. However, Google accepted it very well, MSN too, but Yahoo NOT. A month after this replacement I noticed that Inktomi (Yahoo) Slurp hit my sites daily almost every 3 hours and it still continues hitting both of my sites daily, but on Yahoo Search Results I can see only 2 pages and index page from site B and site A is indexed with 30 pages but all of them are cached pages, the pages I removed after replacement 4 months ago (although I have over 6000 pages on each site).

I thought my sites are banned and I contacted Yahoo Support, as I mentioned above. They replayed me pretty soon and the guy told me that they havenít blocked my sites and Iím not black listed by Yahoo, and he pasted me several links to check all this stuff for possible irregularities. However, I checked all this stuff but everything was fine and my sites agree with all their Guidelines in all cases. Later I contacted him again and he replayed me always with same links, no matter what I asked! :( Last of all I thought this is not a real guy, itís an auto-responder? Now, 4 months after this mess, my sites are still not in Yahoo SERPs, except 3 pages from site B and those 30 cached old pages from site A.

This sucks really, because Yahoo was a third of all my traffic. This is very markedly loss.

Does anyone here have some suggestions what to do to return my pages back on Yahoo Search results?

Thanks in advance!

Mobillica




msg:846405
 10:37 pm on Jul 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've the same problem - 5 year old domain..and only the index page shows.

I corrected the 'problems' or the things I whoiugh may have contribute to a yahoo ban.

Ive emailed yahoo but not had any reply...

Does anyone have any suggestions?

Paid Inclusion?

Anything?

Vulcan315




msg:846406
 9:08 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I repaired everything I could find, then spent loads of time reading at WW and learned of other problems like: sitemap issues, duplicate content problems due to multiple domain names, hidden text I'd forgotten about, links to other domains that were pointed back to the same site, etc. I spent a lot of time completely rewriting a lot of pages, being sure to set the meta tags to be specific to each individual page (don't know if that helped, but I did it anyway).

After everything I could think of was fixed, I got a few folks here on WW to look at my site for additional problems. They found a few more issues, I repaired those, then started emailing Yahoo!. I'd email them about once/week on different days and at different times (in hopes of getting someone who wasn't too swamped to look at my site...I'll bet they get zillions of such requests). I finally got a nice reply from someone, and I was back in. I'd add to be pleasant in your emails and be receptive to any response, as they don't have to add us in for any reason...it's their game and we just want to play.

Just my $.01 worth :-)
Dave

Mobillica




msg:846407
 10:14 am on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi Vulcan, do you have the email address for yahoo?

Thanks

DaveAtIFG




msg:846408
 1:49 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does anyone have any suggestions?
I got a few folks here on WW to look at my site

If you're out of ideas, get a second opinion! :)

cyberfyber




msg:846409
 2:37 pm on Jul 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thank you Dave (Vulcan) for the advice you had given me some time ago. I did as you suggested and also received a pleasant response from someone at yahoo (not canned).

They also let me know that the re-review process can take several weeks to complete. So I'm here with crossed fingers awaiting any changes.

silver4dracs




msg:846410
 11:15 pm on Aug 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

I two have finally recieved the message that the rereview process takes several weeks. Does this mean we are back in? I have been enduring this yahoo ban pain for 9 months and need some help.

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