| 2:42 am on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yup, My newest site is doing fairly well, but my old; very old site, is now sucking eggs, big old eggs, I mean ostrich size eggs!
I can't figure out what is going on here?
I've gone from #1 to #30 on a lot of key pharases. Haven't changed a thing in, I don't know, a year or so?
| 2:00 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I since the weekend I have lost between 70% and 90% of my sites listing in Yahoo. It fluctuates. On Thursday I had about 1600 pages listed in Yahoo. Now I sometimes get ~540, sometimes I get ~200.
| 3:09 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm still not seeing any changes, is this a US thing?
| 3:18 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm in the U.S.
| 4:57 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It must be. Yahoo.co.uk and Yahoo.ca still show my sites as they were, but yahoo.com shows the changes.
| 5:52 pm on Jun 2, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I don't know what to think. I am seeing more intense fluctuations the last week and a half - more so than the usual "Yahoo dance".
| 1:13 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yikes! Okay, you guys know that site I was talking about that had its link popularity drop by 55000 in a week. Well, I checked it again today, and it jumped back up by 104000. I'd love to take credit for it, but I think I'd rather tell my boss that Yahoo is being particularly unreliable right now. That way I don't get blamed if it drops us off again. Anyway, what is the deal with these massive index changes?
| 1:27 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am also seeing large changes. After dropping have my pages (~300), they are starting to add back about 20 per day. Not sure, but something is going on with Yahoo.
| 3:11 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am completely baffled.
I'm #1 on a broad two word term that has over 2 million results. But on a three word term, using the same previous two words (and obviously another one to narrow the search) I'm #24. This three word phrase only has 200,000 results and I've always been on at least the first page for the past 5-6 years.
Doesn't make much sense. Oh, well, I guess I'll just sit it out and not lose too much sleep.
| 3:51 pm on Jun 3, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Okay...their shuffle over the last week or so has finally gone somewhere...
I went from the typical 1900-2100 pages in Yahoo to 13,500 pages. I hope it sticks.
| 9:16 am on Jun 4, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yahoo page count seems a bit strange imo - my page count has gone up loads again - but amount of visitors G sends does not change much.
Any change in referrals for you?
| 2:46 am on Jun 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My referals from Yahoo is up with the increase in pages indexed by Yahoo, but not by as much as I would have hoped. It is a weekend though and a hot one at that. Monday and Wednesday will be the test...
My indexed page counts went up in MSN too. Still waiting for Google to index more though...I only have about 30 pages in Google with 220 recently indexed. I cannot wait for them to go full bore like Yahoo and MSN (and Become).
| 11:42 am on Jun 5, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I was up on the index for that last few days and now...I'm back where I were...grrr
| 4:22 am on Jun 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I am still way up...and growing little by little. I hope it sticks.
| 9:57 am on Jun 6, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm now seeing the update in UK serps which is nice, striaght in at no.3 for an overture advertising client. Another site didn't go in but that's only two months old and from my experience it usually takes 3+ to get in via links alone.
| 11:48 am on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
After losing about half my pages in the index on May 29th, they are all back this morning. Anyone else see a big change today?
| 1:22 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
My site was doing quite well on Yahoo search engine for a long time (far better than Google) but Saturday June 11, most of my yahoo listings suddenly disappeared. At the same time it appears my entire site is being completely re-spidered by yahoo.inktomisearch but I don't know if this is necessarily a good or bad sign. Could this be a "Yahoo dance"? I also noticed in my Yahoo backlinks, most of my internal backlinks were missing and what I saw were mostly external links from other sites, but these still numbered in the hundreds.
I'm seeing a lot of this:
A visitor from lj2035.inktomisearch.com (220.127.116.11)
arrived without a refering URL,
and visited www......html
at 11:57:00 PM on Saturday, June 11, 2005.
This visitor used Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Yahoo! Slurp; [help.yahoo.com...]
At the same time I seem to be doing better at Google, and I'm beginning to see a slight increase in traffic from MSN and aol.
| 2:03 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Something is definitely brewing - #pages indexed and backlinks are both unsettled this morning.
| 2:59 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Right after I posted the increase I looked at Yahoo again and about half of these new pages disappeared again.
| 3:07 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Is it possible Yahoo is simply dropping then re-indexing all the pages to get rid of dead links? Google has been known to do this for a long time.
I don't see how this could be a penalty since it appears all my pages are being re-spidered by inktomisearch one after another. I'm hoping they will all come back within the next couple days.
I find this very alarming and I'm very worried about it because Yahoo was my single biggest source of traffic and customers.
| 6:07 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Seeing the same thing. I have one site that has been completly gone but comes back for about a half an hour in the middle of the night. The number of pages listed on one of my other sites is going up and down. This started for me on Friday morning. Both sites are being crawled extensivly. First time I have had more than a few pages crawled at once.
| 9:42 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm seeing something similar on two sites. Yesterday they both lost all Y ranking for the keywords I track.
They do show up on searches using the domain names or unique page specific text but nothing else. One site has over 200k pages and the other has about 4k. Both domains are over 7 years old.
Slurp is crawling them as I type and I've not detected a change in the frequency or duration.
I'm perplexed. . . There's no black-hat SEO in either one and they both follow the G/Y/M webmaster guidelines.
Hopefully its related to an update and things will revert back. . .
| 10:42 pm on Jun 12, 2005 (gmt 0)|
When I checked back later this evening, after being away all day, it appears Yahoo has added additional links to my backlinks. Both links:www.... and linkdomain:www.... showed increases to my Yahoo backlinks, and my pages are still being heavily respidered by inktomisearch (slurp). Maybe this is a good sign? I can only pray.
I noticed another weird thing in my AXS stats. I will see a hit for a particular keyword that's sometimes only minutes old, but when I click on it, my listing isn't there. It's like my listing is doing a quantum leap in & out of the search results.
Unfortunately there really is no way to tell if a site if being penalized. I would have to assume if this is a penalty, I would likely see most or all of my backlinks disappear.
This clearly demonstrates the danger of depending solely on free listings for traffic and customers but this is all I've done for a long time with fairly good success.
| 1:16 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Been up and down all week but creeping up. Today we show 20,000 pages but it could be back to 8,000 tomorrow (like it was yesterday) We used to have 90,000 back when Google controlled the index so the change last year near put us out of business.
We are cautiously optomistic at this point as Google is still brining in the hits for the most part. If this translates into hits...then I say it's about time.
| 1:39 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I see with my site also, my Yahoo backlinks has been changing all evening. linkdomain:www... went from 1600 links to 1570, now it's 1610 links. Almost all my Yahoo listings remain missing since Saturday.
I'm not sure about the difference between links:www and linkdomain:www, but Yahoo links:www has been changing too. That went from 927 to 938 now it's 949.
This is really weird. I'm praying this is a good sign.
| 2:39 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I would agree something going on
more action from slurp bot than usual, more pages in the index.
However, in our case we notice more of our pages in the index under our own site search but not filtered through to the SERPs yet - Anyone else notice the same or is it just us?
Im looking at this thinking an updates due with recently cashed pages about to be added to the SERPs and perhaps older ones being taken out?
| 2:46 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
when this occurs, is it common for Yahoo to first drop nearly all your existing listings and internal backlinks?
In checking my Yahoo backlinks I'm also unsure what the difference is between links:http://www... link:www....... and linkdomain:www..... I have noticed linkdomain: is the biggest and has gotten bigger. links: has however gotten smaller. I checked all of these and couldn't find any of my internal backlinks. Everything appears to be external links.
My site is still being heavily spidered by slurp inktomisearch, and so far only a few Yahoo listings have reappeared today. I lost a lot of traffic since Saturday, and I'm hoping to regain it soon.
| 3:45 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Yes, I am also seeing some changes, yesterday my backlinks was showing 1030 today came down again to 625, site pages has been increased today for my website.
And also I have been observing that position for my kw has not changed. Since last month my site position is on 4th page.
Is anyone notice any position changes?
Have you got any idea how long this update will be!
| 6:01 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Something going on with Yahoo today. Traffic all but disappeared. I'm seeing big changes.
For three phrases that I was number 1 - 3, I just checked. I'm not even in the top 500. Does that happen with Yahoo? Makes no sense. The pages are still in the index, it's just that my site does not appear to rank for anything anymore.
Note to self - keep day job.
| 8:08 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Somebody in another forum had this to say:
Affiliate programs are not welcome in Yahoo.
If you're an affiliate, you're gone. I'm sorry, but that seems to be Yahoo's current stance. They view affiliates as "parasitic."
"Here is our Content Policy.
As you can see, there's just no way to do "affiliate marketing", i.e. setting up sites with many pages designed to put people into an affiliate program. You can "lawyer" the fine points all you like, but we just don't want that sort of content in our search engine.
As you illustrated so well in your search, the affiliate pages clutter up search results to the point that non-commercial pages can't be found at all. That's bad for users.
Search Engine Spam Reporting
| 8:36 pm on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|If you're an affiliate, you're gone. I'm sorry, but that seems to be Yahoo's current stance. |
That is one of the top five poorest excuses for ranking badly.
The Yahoo guidelines say they want "original and unique content of genuine value." If you read the Yahoo guidelines, they don't even use the word affliate.
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