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eclipse

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Msg#: 3362 posted 8:39 am on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I'm trying to figure out Yahoo rankings factors. Everything went well until i got stuck at top100.

What are the most important factors in Yahoo?

 

iantsang1067

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Msg#: 3362 posted 1:25 pm on May 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think links and anchor text are very important although not as important as in Google.

Essex_boy

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Msg#: 3362 posted 8:39 am on May 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Im getting stuck at between 14 and 19 for a not very compettitive term (300 a day).

Tried all the normal methods teh only thing I can see is that all of teh site above me a educational sites and non commercial. Is that the same for you?

eclipse

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Msg#: 3362 posted 9:21 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

All sites above me are affiliate sites. I read a post about Yahoo filtering affiliate sites, but in my sector top10 are all kinds of affiliates.

The most frustrating thing is, that top10 is total spam.

arras



 
Msg#: 3362 posted 10:12 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you have a travel page and make it to the top 10 in Yahoo ,within days your site will be disappear (you will find only the index if you make a site search).So better stay behind.

arras



 
Msg#: 3362 posted 10:15 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't understand you guys why bother with Yahoo,we all know who is the King,just optimise your pages for a good position on King google and forget all others.

grandpa

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Msg#: 3362 posted 10:42 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

>> I don't understand you guys why bother with Yahoo..
That's a no brainer really. Yahoo provides traffic and sales. Thru Overture, a directory and shopping.

>> What are the most important factors in Yahoo?
I can't answer that, but I can answer to what I do and that could be relevant since I have a bunch of pages ranking well in Y.

I use meta tags. Description, page title and keywords are all accurate for any given page. I try to validate every page. I use CSS to keep most of my style codes off the page. I build my pages for human visitors, not for bots. That means I quit worrying about some on page factors, like keyword ratio.

Building pages for visitors means a better experience for the visitor, and results in more page views. I can only surmise that Y knows how many times I've been visited for a given search, and they may factor that into their algo.

The site is established with several years of history. That could be a factor.

I keep my pages fresh. Nearly every day at least one page gets 'the treatment'. I fine tune the meta-data. I validate the page. I verify everything is working on the page; links, forms, images.. everything. It seems like several of Y's bots are living on my server - pages updates (and new pages) get crawled within hours, if not minutes.

eclipse

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Msg#: 3362 posted 11:45 am on May 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

My site is also great site for visitors and i got top50 on yahoo within 1,5 month.

How Yahoo treat Exact keyword anchor text vs anchor keyowrd + some other words?

All sites above me have exact main keyword in 80% anchor texts, but this looks so spammy.

Spartanez

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Msg#: 3362 posted 2:04 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

As arras said...

I don't understand you guys why bother with Yahoo,we all know who is the King,just optimise your pages for a good position on King google and forget all others.
_____________________________________________________

You know, it isn't fully correct. The fact is that our site has a good ranking at Google, but very bad ranking in Yahoo. By the way we it doesn't have ban or penalty.

In another topic I asked about yahoo optimization peculiarities! Maybe here someone will tell me something helpful? :-)

kwngian

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Msg#: 3362 posted 3:45 pm on May 20, 2005 (gmt 0)


Yahoo is important to me. If I were to focus on the 'king', I would remain forever getting below 10 visitors from Google daily.

Also, I did a site:mysite.com and Yahoo says site not found but I am getting hundreds of referrers from them for a site that they do not know exist.

fjpapaleo

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Msg#: 3362 posted 3:23 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

try site:http://www.mysite.com

[edited by: martinibuster at 4:46 am (utc) on June 13, 2005]

alexxi

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Msg#: 3362 posted 8:46 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

every time i work on a site especially when it is new and i post 100īs of new pages it starts coming out in the top 10 in msn and yahoo, but after a month it starts falling out completly. my guess is when it comes to yahoo and msn, you got to keep changing or updating the text for them to keep their interest

PatrickDeese

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Msg#: 3362 posted 8:53 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

> If you have a travel page and make it to the top 10 in Yahoo ,within days your site will be disappear

That is so wrong.

I have dozens of sites ranking in travel SERPs - most of them have been there since the switch - That is well over a year.

If you are getting banned in Yahoo it has nothing to do with the fact that you're an affiliate, but it probably has a whole lot to do with the quality of your content, and your link network.

kaushal

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Msg#: 3362 posted 10:34 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

yahoo has got the subjective evaluation tchnique may be that is the matter and also yahoo is more commercial the king(google).
it gives preference to ppc sites.

kaushal

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Msg#: 3362 posted 10:40 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

congrates for being on the top for the 100 days.annixe for constant result you should keep on track of changing policys of the search engines.

kaushal

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Msg#: 3362 posted 10:42 am on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

alexxi i suggest you to subscribe for the best news letter to keep track of changing policy

roadhazard

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Msg#: 3362 posted 12:50 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was doing well in Yahoo. Don't know when it cut off, but no traffic from Yahoo for awhile. I have an affiliate site. One year old. Yes, of course, Yahoo visitors are important to us. Yahoo is growing fast. I hope to learn in this forum how to rank again in Yahoo. My site is all white hat optimization. I have a few good links. We all have to worry about Yahoo, MSN. MSN is no problem now with my site. MSN is almost all I get. Just coming out of Google sandbox. I SURE MISS the Yahoo traffic in my bank account. I will keep reading to try to learn the ropes. THANKS to all.

alexxi

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Msg#: 3362 posted 8:03 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

> If you have a travel page and make it to the top 10 in Yahoo ,within days your site will be disappear
Patrick, i do have a travel page.... and as you said it disapears, god knows why. in google it takes me 3 month longer to get on top, but once there i stay.

also after reading all the posts about yahoo i desided to do a site:mysiomain.com search on yahoo to see how many pages are indexed... one of mydomains has over 27,000 pages indexed while another of my domains which is done EXACTLY the same way but completly diferent information is only got 101 pages indexed, and a 3rd one also done the same way is only got 20. i think i will forget about yahoo and stick with google, at least i know what i am doing there, or believe i know.

PatrickDeese

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Msg#: 3362 posted 8:16 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

> Patrick, i do have a travel page.... and as you said it disapears

Actually, I said the opposite.

Yahoo loves:

- high density, keyword-rich content
- non-duplicate content
- a few inbound links, especially from aged, established quality sites

Yahoo hates:

- fraternal networks (eventually)
- links from spammy networks / low-quality sites
- duplicate content (eventually)
- low-quality sites in high-profile niches

If you can rank #1 for Paris with nothing but the words "I like Paris, France" on your page 8000 times, and ten expedia affiliate banners - you are going to get your site banned in Yahoo.

Thinkprog

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Msg#: 3362 posted 10:37 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

=>Yahoo hates:
- fraternal networks (eventually)

IMHO not that big of a deal... Google penalises it more.

Just get links links links with good anchor text...

larryhatch

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Msg#: 3362 posted 10:54 am on Jun 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

In my niche at least, Y ranks good original content highly, maybe a bit more than Google does. - Larry

sugarrae

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Msg#: 3362 posted 7:32 pm on Jun 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't understand you guys why bother with Yahoo,we all know who is the King,just optimise your pages for a good position on King google and forget all others.

Last I checked, the other two had a wee bit of traffic [searchenginewatch.com] - and frankly, in my experience, MSN searchers seem to search with one hand and hold their credit card in the other.

That attitude isn't the smart way to do business, IMHO. Why take only a decent % of traffic when you can obtain a massive % of it?

Voxman

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Msg#: 3362 posted 4:37 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

The most frustrating thing is, that top10 is total spam.

Yahoo, Google and MSN do not have a handle on spam at all. Even sites I report are ignored completely. Most of them are just ADword filled sites with no content. They must be cloaking or something to get those results. On MSN I searched the terms Widgets Widgets Widgets and all but two on the page were pure spam identical Adwords sites. Instead of cleaning it up it's getting worse every day.

Everything they tell us not to do works for these spam artist and the Engines seem to be incapable of doing anything about it. At least not yet. I'm hopeful that some day all these site will be caught and removed permanently. Pure garbage keyword rich URL spam is all they are.

[edited by: martinibuster at 4:45 am (utc) on June 13, 2005]
[edit reason] Removed specific search terms. WebmasterWorld is not for Spam Reports. Thanks. [/edit]

Robert Charlton

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Msg#: 3362 posted 7:40 am on Jun 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo loves:

- high density, keyword-rich content
- non-duplicate content
- a few inbound links, especially from aged, established quality sites

Patrick - I agree with all points except for the non-duplicate content. I'm looking at a serps page right now where positions 3 through 6 are the same syndicated article. This is not uncommon.

redstorm

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Msg#: 3362 posted 2:51 am on Jun 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo search, too much to learn!

maswee

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Msg#: 3362 posted 4:48 am on Jun 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo is really confusing now a days earlier it was pretty easier to get ranked on yahoo; now google algo is much understandable than yahoo. Few of my sites are getting very well ranked on google, MSN but not on yahoo and no spamming technique is being used to get the sites ranked. Can anybody throw light on what factors needs to be considered while optimizing the site for yahoo.

ratherbeboating

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Msg#: 3362 posted 7:04 am on Jun 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

Does anyone know the breakdown of the various search engines? I am specifically interested in how overture compares to the rest, and to Yahoo in particular.

Thanks,

Daniel

matt21811

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Msg#: 3362 posted 11:52 am on Jul 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

sugarrae's post has a link showing the breakdown of market share of search engines.

Overture doesnt even get its own slice of the pie.
Not sure what that means.

On my sites I only get about 3 overture referals a month out of 10,000.

caveman

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Msg#: 3362 posted 7:53 pm on Jul 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

fraternal networks (eventually)

IMHO not that big of a deal... Google penalises it more.

Don't think so. ;-) Yahoo is more quick to trash them generally. G's algo seems better able to accept some forms of networked sites.

Also, I have to say I agree with Patrick's comments about dup content, but in particular, IMO, it appplies more to near-dup internal site content (including META). Y is less forgiving in some ways than G, I think.

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