Is this penalized? (sure seems like it):
My site has been around for years. Busiest message board on the internet for a particular travel destination. G has indexed 75000+ pages. MSN 15000+. Last year Y had indexed 700 or so pages and didn't seem to want to go beyond that. I made pages se friendly. Yahoo over the next few months worked its way to around 15000 pages.
Problem was that they didn't use meta description only first sentance or so of text. In my case, that was a "Welcome to the message board" sentence, the same for every listing. I modified things again, putting (I know this is no no) hidden (using CSS) a copy of the first sentence of the first post before the Welcome message. This worked well so that the description in the listing actually described it. This was fine for a couple of months, then last month number of pages dropped to <200.
I figure maybe a problem with dup content(I hadn't prevented print friendly pages or other unitentional possible sources of dup content via a message board) and blocked via robot.txt. Again seemed to start to climb very slowly to 300+.
Today it shows 15.
All my content isn't message board, I have 1000 pages of unique non message board content as well.
Slurp as looked at 10000+ pages this month, down from ~45000 last month.
I still show as #1 or 2 for destination forum(s) or message board, so it's not like I'm excluded from the serps.
Even at it's best the traffic for this site from Y hasn't been stellar - it just seems like it should be better. If my site was just a cookie cutter aff site or the domain diposable, I probably wouldn't care. But this site is unique and of value to anybody looking for info on this destination.
I'd be very interested in hearing any thoughts or comments.
Wow, I have zero Yahoo traffic the last couple of months. I guess it is because YES, I build pages with the tags optimized, so that is clearly a NO-NO in Yahoo's list of UNWANTED characteristics. I HAVE TO OPTIMIZE for Google, so I guess I can simply forget Yahoo unless I pay. Oh well, I am ever so slowly climbing out of the G. sandbox and have plenty of MSN traffic. What can we do? Oh, pay...If we pay, that makes us all clean suddenly, right? Yes, I agree Y traffic would be important, but not if I have to pay for it. I think I'll just write Y off.
OK, all these ideas are wrong. In my affiliate category, there is a competitor on PAGE TWO of Y SERPS. They have tons of outgoing links AND tags are optimized. Their site is 5 and 1/2 years old. I think Yahoo is trying to copy Google with the sandbox idea. Maybe it takes TWO years to get out of the Yahoo sandbox. I do not think there is a penalty, but rather some type of sandboxing going on. There is obviously NO prejudice against affiliate sites. The competitor has Adsense and gobs of affiliate links everywhere. YET it is on page TWO. So, we have to get real here. Age now obviously counts in Yahoo SerPS. Only question is HOW MANY YEARS in the Y sandbox?
After 5 1/2 years I guess you can count out a "sandbox" effect.
Just be glad those running the Yahoo SERPS aren't in the air traffic controller business!
Who said your "Tags" can't be optimized? Thats what meta tags are for. Your tags should have your main and related kw's. Thats not breaking any rules. Hidden text, or meaningless jiberish meant to trick the spiders, now thats another story.
Can someone sticky me an Email contact for having Yahoo look at a site that has a penalty that shouldn't have one?
|Age now obviously counts in Yahoo SerPS. |
One of my sites that has a penalty from Yahoo is 7 years old. So I don't think your sandbox theory applies to this post.
Anyone tried this for re-review?
This one worked for me:
(It means that I received a canned answer...so it's practically useless..I tried it twice in the last 12 months)
The above Yahoo! link however didn't work...at least so far. I submitted my request 2-3 months ago...no answer.
BTW my site is 5 years old, included in Yahoo! dir and ODP, performing very well in G and MSN, so Y! sandbox cannot be the case. I must be too competitive to them..I can just guess this.
I strongly believe that Y! applies lifetime penalties, because I can't see Slurp having the slightest effort to "re-review" my site since it banned me last April..hitting only robots.txt and index.html everyday.
Ok after the last update my site was completely gone. It's listed in their directory and it was accepted by their human editor.
I still get massive visits from their spider every day
how I know if I am banned? when I try site:www.url.com
I get nothing.
So how can I know if I am banned?
Before this update, how many pages of your site are indexed in yahoo? Or only homepage is indexed?
over 1500 pages were indexed before the update
I agree entirely. I had a similar experience recently and this problem basically emphasis just how important it is to check the robots.txt file.
I've done everything I can think of to my 7 year old site to repair any perceived problems, but only find my index.html in the Y! index (and I paid for inclusion in their index). Yahoo is hitting the index page every single day, but nothing beyond that.
Looks like if only index page (and robots.txt) is hit by slurp then it has no way to come back to yahoo index.
Weird....seems to me (just my $.02 worth, hehehe), that if a page was out of compliance in some way and then corrected, the crawler would recognise this and put you back in. Guess I just don't understand why they wouldn't do that, as opposed to kicking pages out for things that the owner might not even realize were a problem (it's not like folks live in forums like this one and would know everything about each engine). oh well...
How to get rid of yahoo penalty?
|I've done everything I can think of to my 7 year old site to repair any perceived problems, but only find my index.html in the Y! index (and I paid for inclusion in their index). |
Isn't it sad that Yahoo would ban these types of established sites (assuming that your 7 year old site has good content, and is useful to your users)? They are not fly-by-night spam sites. Some of our sites that have been banned (my 4 year old site, for example, with 50 or so original articles throughout my 35-page site) represent lots of hard work with good intentions of bringing content to users. I hope that they start to take age/intent/content of site into consideration.
My review requests over the past 4 months have apparently been ignored. :(
|My review requests over the past 4 months have apparently been ignored. :( |
Welcome to the club! I personally don't think they care about the moans of webmasters/seo's about sites banned in their index. They assume we are all guilty until proven innocent. However, there is no trial going on here, so we are sentenced guilty!
What does it mean if you don't see any site: links, but slurp has been extensively spidering your site and Yahoo listings keep reappearing then disappearing again in the same day?
Yahoo still slurp's your site even if your site is banned! They will index your images and burn up your bandwidth!
I have also a site that is suspended... Anyway, did anybody try to add the suspended site to the y! paid directory?
|I have also a site that is suspended... Anyway, did anybody try to add the suspended site to the y! paid directory? |
Yes, you can. Still remain suspended
Our site went from "top ten" in Y! for the past year to (as of this morning) #68.
When I do a 'site:www.mydomain.com' (www.<snip>.com) it actually shows 47,000+ pages with the homepage coming up first. Doing the same in Google acutally brings back 229,000+ pages. What gives? Our site has been around for 5 years, has great content, every page is optimized, etc.
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