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How to get rid of yahoo penalty?
chokan




msg:838051
 9:10 am on Apr 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

If a site disappears from Yahoo search, how to get the listing back?

 

jaski




msg:838111
 8:06 am on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow. I just saw that my site has 163 pages indexed by yahoo. Till the day before yesterday .. and for more than last 3 years.. it was only the home page which was indexed. It was a penalty from inktomi days which it seems has finally been removed. Thanks Yahoo.

A review request to reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com seems to have done the trick. I found the tip somewhere on this forum only but I am unable to find that thread now.

jdwaverly




msg:838112
 11:02 am on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

"How did you discover this? If so, then those of us who are being hammered by Slurp are not banned, and there is some other problem/issue that keeps all of our pages except a "sandbox" type index page out of the SERPS. "

If you:
(a)Have an established site with incoming links
(b)Have seen slurp crawling a variety of pages for several months
(c) site:mydomain.com shows only your homepage

then you are being blocked(penalized, banned) from the index, regardless of the activity of Slurp.

Many of those who are banned see greatly reduced activity from Slurp...a few pages a day.
For many Slurp crawling is reduced to the point where they see only robots.txt and their index page crawled on most days.

However, with a penalty in place these OTHER pages never appear in the Yahoo index.

StuffOfInterest




msg:838113
 11:55 am on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

I've seen the Yahoo! page for requesting re-review, but what is the preferred address for inquiring if a site is penalized in the first place?

I have a feeling my site has been penalized being that the database driven nature of the site can generate a lot of very similar pages. Those pages now have "noindex" tags to cut down on the redundancy, but I fear getting back into Yahoo! will be a nightmare.

Panacea




msg:838114
 11:32 pm on Apr 28, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>A review request to reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com seems to have done the trick. I found the tip somewhere on this forum only but I am unable to find that thread now. <<

This is why none of us are having any success getting our sites re-reviewed and re-included in Yahoo. We are contacting Yahoo and using search-feedback@yahoo-inc.com, or webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com. We need to start using reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com and not the appropriate and officially method as told to us by Yahoo_Mike.

jaski




msg:838115
 12:56 pm on May 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

For the record Panacea. I did send an email to webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com as well .. but that was a while ago .. so it could be either of the two.

microlinx




msg:838116
 3:30 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

After a month of ping ponging in and out of Yahoo for a particular key phrase, I thought I was back in, but now I'm back out.

My main page changes from time to time, but only to keep fresh content. Yahoo seems to penalize my site for updating the content.

Anyone else know about this penalty?

I tried the webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com for a re-review and it did no good.

jaffstar




msg:838117
 9:19 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

After a month of ping ponging in and out of Yahoo for a particular key phrase, I thought I was back in, but now I'm back out.

Is only your homepage indexed?

My main page changes from time to time, but only to keep fresh content. Yahoo seems to penalize my site for updating the content.

Two sites that I am working on both get new regular content; both are out of the index.

Although we see a pattern, its highly unlikely that Yahoo would penalize you for adding fresh content, unless you are in violation of their content policies.

I tried the webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com for a re-review and it did no good.

Join the club :(

zeus




msg:838118
 9:44 am on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I also sent a email to reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com now all my sites are totaly gone from yahoo, so watch out and they dont reply on what happen.

microlinx




msg:838119
 12:44 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

jaff..

No,I find 298 pages listed when doing a site:mydomain.com
However, when I am "in", the index page is listed first in those results. We I am "out" it is listed near the bottom of those 298 pages.

I did add some <H1> tags to the index page, which seem to have penalized that page.

I did a cleanup of the external page links, removed the heading text and cleaned up my keywords and added a classification meta tag.

Now I will wait and see if the Yahoo! fairy likes it or not. This is really ridiculous.

I must say (IMHO) I think Yahoo's results have been seriously degraded after 4/1/2005. The sites they moved up seem to violate all the rules of good design and good, useful content, while established sites with useful content which were growing rapidly in traffic were removed.

I'll say it again (and it is only my opinion, hopefully not to be snipped) It really seems as though Yahoo has removed successful sites in an effort to force them to use more of their new paid inclusion services. If that is the case, I would rather spend my money on Google, which is suppling a reliable search result (at least for my case). Yahoo (IMHO) has become too unpredicatable and is loosing trust.

I would hope Yahoo would continuing to improve their algo over the next few weeks or months.

martinibuster




msg:838120
 2:27 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'll say it again (and it is only my opinion, hopefully not to be snipped) It really seems as though Yahoo has removed successful sites in an effort to force them to use more of their new paid inclusion services.

Look, I'm not trying to put you down, but, that doesn't make any sense at all. I say this respectfully, think about what you are saying: How can Yahoo remove only "successful" sites and put "unsuccessful" sites in the top ten? That statement is illogical. Someone has to be "successful."

Yahoo seems to penalize my site for updating the content...
I did add some <H1> tags to the index page, which seem to have penalized that page.

Seems like a lot of guessing without the homework to back it up. It's not useful to shrug your shoulders and assume that something hurt you without doing the necessary research to back it up. It's unproductive to assume a penalty when a site doesn't meet all the metrics of being penalized. Making unsubstantiated assumptions won't ever help you. Here's how to put some focus in what you are seeing, or think you are seeing:

Deconstructing Yahoo for Fun and Profit
The right approach is to do some searches and study a wide range of serps. Look at what people are doing and how they are doing it.

  • Spider those sites and get KWD averages.
  • Look at relationships between the first two or three results, then look for patterns in positions four through ten, or break them down even more, as in finding relationships between positions four through seven, and seven through ten.
  • Do a backlink check for the top ten websites for several different serps and note any patterns (anchors, banner links, ros, etc. use your imagination)
  • Open up a tab on a spreadsheet just for header tags used across a range of serps and note any patterns.
  • Study BS results, the serps that contain a site that obviously doesn't belong there. This is a HUGE clue, a backdoor, to understanding a component of the algo
  • Open up a tab on your speadsheet for notating word counts for each site in the top ten, across a range of serps (one with navigation included and one without)
  • Open up a tab on the spreadsheet to note what kind of navigation (images or css) is being used by the top ten across a range of serps- again, as in all tests, look for patterns to develop within a range within the top ten
  • Notate the average amount pages in a website within the top ten across your set of serps

Do all of that and you will start to feel more confident about what Yahoo is looking for, and will avoid the pitfalls of making random guesses that may not be helpful for improving your situation.

Random assumptions are worthless for improving your serp positions. You really have to spend hours and even days looking at this, breaking it down, to get a feel for the algo.

After you have a feel, you are ready to revisit your website, with objective eyes. You might even consider having someone else take a look at it, too.

From what I'm seeing in this thread, some people are under the mistaken impression they're penalized when it may not be the case. Not ranking and being penalized are not the same thing. Just because Google loves a website's anchors and IBL's doesn't mean Yahoo is going to love that same website's minimal content, etc.

[edited by: martinibuster at 7:54 am (utc) on May 11, 2005]

microlinx




msg:838121
 2:45 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Look, I'm not trying to put you down, but, that doesn't make any sense at all. I say this respectfully, think about what you are saying: How can Yahoo remove only "successful" sites and put "unsuccessful" sites in the top ten? That statement is illogical. Someone has to be "successful."

I understand your lack of mis-understanding...
I do a ton of resesearch in my niche market and I know pretty much where all my competitors and partner sites are, traffic wise, link popularity, keyword density, etc.. and (as useless as it may be to some) Alexa. I have seen sites with nearly logarithmic traffic trends suddenly removed from Yahoo's search results in favor of portal sites.

The comment was from my frame of reference, so I don't expect you to be able to make sense of it...well, maybe now you can.

I agree with the assumption bit...but as I mentioned, Yahoo's changes seem to be varying over the past few weeks and this forum had mentioned the heading tags as being a possible trigger for penalty.

I'm to the point that I'll try anything because the sites that are moving up have no good qualities other than being affiliate sites with very thin content...just enough to get Yahoo's eye, but Yahoo seems to be blind enough to miss the obvious black hat techniques.

microlinx




msg:838122
 3:29 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

One more stupid question, which is hopefully not to going to be considered "off topic", but while chasing our tails THINKING we have been penalized, is it possible that Yahoo is feeding different results to different geographic locations (yes, I'm sure they do this worldwide, but also withing the USA) or to visitors based upon past search queries by setting cookies?

The reason I ask is that I run a ranking program (Submit Wolf) that ranks a certain key phrase against the majority of the search engines. This morning a search showed me ranked as #2 in Yahoo for my preferred search term (my old position.
(note: I cleared the programs rank cache and it then gave a result of #4, my position from 10 days ago, the search does a live check of all engines and takes a few minutes to complete on broadband).

A quick double check in Yahoo! shows no such correlation.

Furthermore...in the past I have noticed between the three PC's on my desktop, I could get differnt Yahoo results between each PC. Deleting cookies or rebooting all three usually resoved the differences.

All PC's are generally clear of spyware / adware, toolbars and are checked weekly with registry mechanic, xoftspy and Spybot S&D.

So, my questions to you Yahoo guru's out there, is:
Can we assume we have been penalized, when it only looks that way from or point of reference? and in fact we still are showing up in Yahoo from different user locations, networks, PC's around the country or world?

One get's the assumption that the search results should be "vanilla" worldwide...or are the web search results actually "totty-fruity" worldwide?

laoloup




msg:838123
 5:04 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I did a search with my preferred key phrase in Yahoo this morning, it turned my site in the 10th range. When I did the search again this afternoon, I'm in the 90th range. Before this my site has been moving upward constantly. On the contrary, a friend's site with mostly images (a design error) got to the 10th range. And the backlinks to that site are mostly from my site.

My site is still in the 10th range in Google and has been climbing steadily. I don't think I'll give up my <H1>s and other optimization techniques in favor of Yahoo which brings just 7% of my total traffic.

martinibuster




msg:838124
 7:45 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I do a ton of resesearch in my niche market and I know pretty much where all my competitors and partner sites are...

Researching your competitors and researching Yahoo are two different things- One hundred percent different.

I urge you to go back and consider my post again. It's obvious that Yahoo is eluding you, so what needs to be done is start from square one and research Yahoo.

Forget your competitors. Work with serps that are completely different from your own. Otherwise you won't have an objective eye.

microlinx




msg:838125
 8:50 pm on May 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

MB: Let's not be splitting hairs and so unbelievably critical of how things are phrased here. My knuckles are getting black and blue from your ruler.

I know where my competing sites stand IN YAHOO.
Where else would I be talking about.

Are you telling me that what they have done to get top listing is NOT what I should do or emulate in some fashion?

I've done 99% of what you laid out in your previous post. I was in the #2 position on Yahoo for over three years. Now what on earth am I supposed to do, throw all what I knew about Yahoo out the window?

I am #2 in Google, MSN, Ask Jeeves, AOL and more but now Yahoo drops me for no reason, other than to force me to buy their new products.
My site was doing very well at the end of March (the log curve was on the upswing) and then coincidentally they release a bunch of new "products" like Site Match...I may be off topic and paranoid now, but I can't imagine this is algo related at all.
I seem to be manually booted, so I am forced to buy their "products". No one needs to say it, they certainly won't. They move a bunch of trash up and what? I'm supposed to follow suit by making changes that will probably get me booted from Google.

Yahoo is now loosing my direct business. I'm dropping my PPC account and hiring a good SEO company to figure it out. I'm already paying $150 month to Overture.

jaffstar




msg:838126
 7:16 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

MB/Microlinx:

Read my posts here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

Removed the H1 Tag, recovered 300 positions.

Microlinx: Have you tried this?

robotsdobetter




msg:838127
 7:36 am on May 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am #2 in Google, MSN, Ask Jeeves, AOL and more but now Yahoo drops me for no reason, other than to force me to buy their new products.
First off AOL uses Google search results. it doesn't matter if you rank number one on Google, MSN, Ask Jeeves because Yahoo is not Google, MSN or Ask Jeeves, they all are different in the ways they rank web sites.

now Yahoo drops me for no reason, other than to force me to buy their new products.
My site was doing very well at the end of March (the log curve was on the upswing) and then coincidentally they release a bunch of new "products" like Site Match...I may be off topic and paranoid now, but I can't imagine this is algo related at all.
Yes, I think you are paranoid :). They likely added weight to a factor that your web site is weak in or you are using Spam, linking to a web site that Yahoo thinks is Spamming. As it's been said before, you need to relook over your web site very carefully and see what is going wrong.

WallyWorld




msg:838128
 6:35 pm on May 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeeehaaaa! I actually got a human response from Yahoo about my pages being banned!

I sent an email to reportsearchspam@yahoo-inc.com and tried to explain what was going on with my site that (exept for the index page) hasn't been in the SERPS since early February.

I sent this about two weeks ago and got an email reply today thanking me by name and saying "We'll take a look"!

Wow! Now I'm afraid they'll look at all my sites and ban the others too. :-(

junai3




msg:838129
 3:03 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

I contacted Yahoo by going to this page:

[help.yahoo.com...]

and clicking "no" at the bottom. I then filled out the form with my question and got an email back from:

search-abuse@cc.yahoo-inc.com

a few days telling me they would take a look. It has been a week since then, and they contacted me today to tell me that yes my site does have a penalty.

They gave me a link to their guidelines as well as a link for a site re-review.

I am definitely guilty of breaking their guidelines as I have links pages where I trade reciprocal links. However, all my competitors have links pages, as well as every other SERPs that I have studied in Yahoo. So could this be the problem? Could I have gotten caught, while my competitors haven't? If I don't have links pages, I will loose position in other search engines.

I also have over a thousand of dynamically generated pages. Yahoo's guidelines say they don't like dynamic pages that make for similar content. However, each of my pages represents a real estate property - and they are very different. Could this be the problem? Most of my competitors have just a couple of hundred of pages.

Before I submit my re-review, I obviously need to fix the problem. Could it be the database pages? Or is it more likely the link exchanges and I've just gotten caught while my competitors continue with good rankings?

Natashka




msg:838130
 7:46 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gosh, and what's wrong with having a link page and exchanging links with other sites on my topic?! I have my link page since 1998, when my site used to be just a homepage on Tripod. Yeah right, "excessive crosslinking", or whatever they call it. Sure, during 7 years!

Sometimes I feel their fight with "spam" is getting absolutely ridiculous.

arran




msg:838131
 8:01 am on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

Deconstructing Yahoo for Fun and Profit

Great post MB - thanks...

WallyWorld




msg:838132
 7:38 pm on May 18, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I am definitely guilty of breaking their guidelines as I have links pages where I trade reciprocal links. However, all my competitors have links pages, as well as every other SERPs that I have studied in Yahoo. So could this be the problem? Could I have gotten caught, while my competitors haven't? If I don't have links pages, I will loose position in other search engines. "

Certianly that isn't why Yahoo had dropped thousands of websites? I have a reciprocal links directory with many pages and a reciprocal links form but I don't consider it a "link farm". The Yahoo generic email I recieved several months ago listed "- Use of reciprocal link programs (aka "link farms")" as a reason to be banned.

Maybe Yahoo considers any reciprocal link directory a link farm.

Any one else care to comment?

Wally

jaffstar




msg:838133
 7:25 am on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

There are many sites dominating Yahoo with a 100% reciprocal link strategy. So I would rule that one out.

junai3




msg:838134
 8:08 pm on May 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well if it's not the links pages, maybe my 1000 dynamic pages are the problem.

Each of the dynamic pages represents a different widgets. Each widget has it's own unique 6 photos, description and pricing info. But maybe because each page has a similar format, It has triggered a spam filter.

I will detune the site, submit for the re-review and let you all know what happens.

alexxi




msg:838135
 7:57 pm on May 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

i never looked on yahoo, always worked only on google. after reading this thread i desided to do a site:mysiomain.com search on yahoo to see how many pages are indexed... one website gives me back over 27,000 pages while another one which is done EXACTLY the same way but completly diferent information is only got 101, and a 3rd one also the same way is only got 20. i think i will forget about yahoo and stick with google, at least i know what i am doing there, or believe i know.

carminejg3




msg:838136
 6:50 pm on May 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's funny that Yahoo pentalizes sites for using dynamic pages....

Actually Quite "Hypocritical" if you ask me....Does yahoo, use dynamic pages... a few years ago they where qouted to be changing to "PHP"

We use a database to store our directory since we can check to see which links are still a live.

Tried that site:mydomain.com and returned our homepage, tried a different site returned 1,800...

Thank god, google is growing strong....

WallyWorld




msg:838137
 2:18 pm on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm pretty fed up with Yahoo and thier banning of sites without even the courtesy of telling the webmaster why when asked.

I've looked through my stats for the last year and don't see any reason to keep paying Yahoo for Overture clicks or recurring annual directory fees so I'm canceling all that stuff and concentrating on other search engines that aren't so self serving.

randle




msg:838138
 9:26 pm on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe Yahoo considers any reciprocal link directory a link farm.

I would not dismiss this notion, we have had some responses from Yahoo on a site that was removed and that is where they are placing the problem. Just because you have sites, (which we do) with “links” pages and are doing well (which we are with other sites) does not mean they whole heartedly embrace this method. What they suggested we look at was relevancy of the links, so that’s where we are focusing.

jd01




msg:838139
 10:26 pm on May 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I currently have well over 1K indexed, dynamic pages that do very well... I don't think a penalty is issued for 'dynamic' feeding of content. Maybe, 'essentially the same' dynamic content, but not dynamic in general.

Justin

BillyS




msg:838140
 12:42 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree with jd01. My site is built with php and mysql. Yahoo has no problem with the site and has nearly every page in their index - although it took months to get in. Now if you're using session ids, that's a different story...

baze22




msg:838141
 8:13 pm on May 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is this penalized? (sure seems like it):

My site has been around for years. Busiest message board on the internet for a particular travel destination. G has indexed 75000+ pages. MSN 15000+. Last year Y had indexed 700 or so pages and didn't seem to want to go beyond that. I made pages se friendly. Yahoo over the next few months worked its way to around 15000 pages.

Problem was that they didn't use meta description only first sentance or so of text. In my case, that was a "Welcome to the message board" sentence, the same for every listing. I modified things again, putting (I know this is no no) hidden (using CSS) a copy of the first sentence of the first post before the Welcome message. This worked well so that the description in the listing actually described it. This was fine for a couple of months, then last month number of pages dropped to <200.

I figure maybe a problem with dup content(I hadn't prevented print friendly pages or other unitentional possible sources of dup content via a message board) and blocked via robot.txt. Again seemed to start to climb very slowly to 300+.

Today it shows 15.

All my content isn't message board, I have 1000 pages of unique non message board content as well.

Slurp as looked at 10000+ pages this month, down from ~45000 last month.

I still show as #1 or 2 for destination forum(s) or message board, so it's not like I'm excluded from the serps.

Even at it's best the traffic for this site from Y hasn't been stellar - it just seems like it should be better. If my site was just a cookie cutter aff site or the domain diposable, I probably wouldn't care. But this site is unique and of value to anybody looking for info on this destination.

I'd be very interested in hearing any thoughts or comments.

baze

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