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Yahoo Reinclusion
Will it Happen Automatically or Does it Have to be Done Manually
Abigail




msg:836373
 5:10 pm on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does the spidering play the descisive roll into paving your way back into Yahoo or must it be human intervention? In other words does one have to contact Yahoo on a personal level to be reincluded or is the process more automated?

I did try emailing months ago for a review and received a cryptic message back inferring that I was up to trickery. The index page did come back but nothing else in the regular search index. It took me awhile to figure it out but I believe it may be that my site was very heavily linked internally - all pages crossed to all the other pages within the site - many not relevant to the other. It's the only thing I can see that caused a removal from the index.

I should also mention I have a number of pages that were chosen by Yahoo over the last 5 years that are listed in the directory. I also did pay for fast Inktomi inclusion for a few pages in days gone by.

 

allanp73




msg:836374
 6:27 pm on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had something similiar happen. My sites got banned because of cgi scripted links that were pointing from other sites to mine fooling Yahoo robot's into believing my site was duplicate content. I wrote to Yahoo and told them about the problem. At first they wrote saying I was up to trickery as well. Then I finally got a human to look at the site and they realized it was legitimate. They wrote back saying the site was fine and it was reincluded. Instantly the site regained its ranking. Then a few months afterward for no reason all the site's pages were dropped except the index page. I tried to make Yahoo aware of the problem but I haven't been able to re-establish contact with the person I wrote to at Yahoo. It is really frustrating because I have dozens of sites that were effected because I had submitted them all to a directory that used cgi scripted links. To make things super annoying several of the sites were actaully listed in Yahoo's directory and they have been affected as well. The sites are all informational in nature.
I hope that Yahoo will take a look into this problem. Because I imagine that it affects many other people as well.
Tim are you listening?

Abigail




msg:836375
 4:13 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well - I gather that no one can answer my question. I was hoping Tim might have stopped in with a little enlightenment.

In any case I have sent off a request for a review. I will post if and when I see any results.

allanp73




msg:836376
 5:52 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Abigail,

I think human review is required then the sites will get respidered. I noticed that with my site when Yahoo corrected the problem it instantly was spidered and regained its rankings. Now that the problem has happened again Yahoo's Inktomi spider doesn't visit. However, AltaVista's does. Check you weblogs and see if this is the case for you too.

Abigail




msg:836377
 8:08 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just send off the request this a.m., I will keep an eye out for the spider. Thanks.

Abigail




msg:836378
 8:13 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have just received an acknowledgement from Yahoo, that the request for review has been rec'd. At least I know it made through the first door!

zeus




msg:836379
 11:54 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

Many has the problem where only there index page is listed on google and bet many of those have payed before for inclusion.

allanp73




msg:836380
 2:00 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

zeus,

This was not the case with my sites. I never paid for inclusion. Actually, three sites were actually commercial sites and were included in Yahoo's directory, yet they too were affected. In my case the problem resulted from cgi links from directory sites causing problems. The people at Yahoo are good, I just hope they can resolve this problem soon.

Abigail




msg:836381
 2:30 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have no such cgi links and my site gets spidered regularly by Yahoo slurp, it even updates my index page but does not index anything else, nothing except the Yahoo directory pages that have been in Yahoo for 5 years - their choice at the time not my submission.

I wouldn't have thought those pages would have been picked if there had been anything questionable about the site, itself.

textex




msg:836382
 11:23 am on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

allanp,
How do you know it was the .cgi script links?
If this were the case it would be easy to get competitors banned as well.

allanp73




msg:836383
 7:09 pm on Mar 17, 2005 (gmt 0)

I know that it cgi script links because a first the cgi link was showing instead of index page, then the sites got dropped. Later they returned only with the index page showing and without the ability to rank. For example searching for any keyword phrase the site would always be ranked last. I noticed the same problem happen to hundreds of other sites. I told the people at Yahoo about this in March of 2004, I am just surprised that it is taking so long to get resolved.
To answer your question yes you could get your competition banned. In fact I was joking that if Google linked to Yahoo in this way Yahoo would end up banning itself. Just something to think about for April 1st for Googleguy.

Judge321




msg:836384
 8:48 pm on Mar 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hi,

I am very new to the forum.

I am also facing the same problem. Yahoo dropped all my pages except the index page. After I read this forum I came to believe that it may be cross linking between the two sites. I did not know that I could get penalized if two sites linked to each other.

One thing strange for me though is that Yahoo showed 500 over pages if i search "site:domain.com". If I search "site:www.domain.com" it showed only index page.

Has anyone got any luck with Yahoo reinclusion. I wrote to them asking why my pages were dropped. Only got reply that they received my mail but no response since then.

Right now I have removed a link back from one of my site and there is only one way linking between the two sites.

I will post if I have something regarding this matter.

Thanks,
Judge

allanp73




msg:836385
 10:08 pm on Mar 22, 2005 (gmt 0)

judge,

I don't think crosslinking was your problem. I noticed a pattern with the sites that got dropped. All of them have many links from sites that use there exact title tag to link to them. These are usually sites like directories or sites that show search results. In my case doing a search for my exact title(s) (I have many sites affected) shows these linking sites first then the last results are my sites. I recommend that you do a similar test.
I think the problem is growing and I hope that Yahoo does something soon or there will be no index left.

Judge321




msg:836386
 6:49 am on Mar 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks Allanp73. My site did not use the exact title text in links to my site. I did a search using my title text my site came up at number 23. And the ones that came before me do not link to me.

I received a reply back from Yahoo, they said: "There are no current indications that
your pages have been blocked from the Yahoo! index." But they did not answer why my pages do not appear when I do a search "site:www.domain.com" but all old pages appear when I do a search "site:domain.com".

Did you tried a search "site:domain.com" for your sites? Did you get old pages from yahoo when you do a search on that?

This is getting me really puzzled. They say I am not penalized but why there is only home page in yahoo site saturation.

I will wait for a while and if something came up, will post it back here.

Has any one notice that both Yahoo and Google shows different version of the same page for different keywords. Yahoo is more obvious than Google.

Judge

Bess




msg:836387
 8:56 pm on Mar 27, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was number 7 for a very hard keyword yesterday, today my site fell off completely! When does yahoo spiders crawl? I am kinda new to this but this is how I make my money. ( Iam a disabled Mom). Google dropped my pr4 to nothing. Buy Yahoo still had me going strong till last night...whats going on?

4crests




msg:836388
 6:32 am on Mar 30, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got the same reply from Yahoo as one of the users above:

"There are no current indications that
your pages have been blocked from the Yahoo! index."

My site dropped down to just the index page, then a few months later, even the index page was gone.

I used to pay INEEDHITS.COM for inktomi inclusion. When Yahoo halted that, is when all this problem started. Yahoo wanted me to pay for SITEMATCH. Poof, my site was gone.
Of course, the timeing could have just been coincedence. I really don't know for sure. But, I would love to get back into Yahoo. At least now I know I don't have a penalty, but, NOW WHAT?

macrost




msg:836389
 7:33 am on Mar 31, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just found out that I have only my index page now in their db, what is the contact for them?
Thanks!

irritated




msg:836390
 5:11 pm on Apr 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I did a search for my exact title and found that the #1 site listed was a site totally not related to mine, that listed a link to my site - the site seems to be set up to screw other websites.

Where can I write Y! to inform them about this?

jaffstar




msg:836391
 7:51 am on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I did the famous site:mysite.com and found only the index page included.

I then used some unique text containing companyname.com in the text and found 420 sites containing my homepage text, scraper sites with cgi links.

Are these scraper sites causing the problem?

My site conforms to yahoo's guidelines and has over 500 pages of unique content indexed on Google.

Any takers?

allanp73




msg:836392
 2:46 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

jaffstar,

This is exacting what I was talking about. This is what killed my sites too. I imagine the problem is huge. Just for a test try search for the title text of the other sites listed on these scraper sites and see if they have been affected as well.
Really honest sites owners are getting hurt by these scraper sites.

jaffstar




msg:836393
 3:16 pm on Apr 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Ok, e-mailed the folks over at Yahoo.

Letís see if they fix the problem.

It seems that Yahoo fixed the 302 problem by banning the innocent?

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