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Only my homepages are indexed...
menton

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Msg#: 3200 posted 12:09 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I used to rank 1st and 2nd for my keywords in Yahoo with 2 sites. All of a sudden my sites disappeared to such an extent that today these sites have only 1 page indexed in Yahoo (their homepages.)

These sites rank very well in all other search engines and SPAM, keyword stuffing etc are not an issue and the site is very spider friendly.

Has anybody else had this experience and how do you rectify a situation such as this?

 

eyezshine

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Msg#: 3200 posted 10:26 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yep I've got about 7-8 sites that are home page only indexed. And most of those sites are over 1 year old and 2 are 4 years old?

But then I got brand new sites with many pages indexed?

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 10:43 pm on Mar 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have the same problem, I got a site that is 3-4 years old, has also only the index page in Yahoo and 3300 links to it, so Im 100% sure this is the work of Yahoo filter. I also started a new site which did get spidered and indexed fully.

So what is the reason? Hmm

Im 100% sure my site is as clean as it gets
It is popular
Has a lot of content
so whats the reason, well i have paid for inclusion for 14 month ago, a few month before the end the site became index only, so I can only think of that, if you have paid before, yahoo knows you earn a little of the site and when you dont pay again you are index only.

That what I think is the reason, because many big sites have this problem, but then Yahoo can not complaine that the visitors search on Google, Wisenut,MSN, ASK to find the pages they are looking for. Another thing Yahoo is a more money making company minded company then Google, Google has a few rules insite the company which mst be followed

One thing is for sure I will NEVER pay again.

eyezshine

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Msg#: 3200 posted 7:43 am on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I never paid for inclusion for any of my sites that are now index only so that can't be it?

I am thinking maybe there is some kind of duplicate filter. But google list's all my sites? It can't be the size of a site can it?

Alot of my sites are pretty big and one of yahoo's guidelines is not to have too many pages. Except I need all my pages.

Search engines stress me out!

menton

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Msg#: 3200 posted 8:19 pm on Mar 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

eyezshine - "I am thinking maybe there is some kind of duplicate filter"

I don't think this is the case as I don't have duplicate content on my sites, something I have been very careful about.

"yahoo's guidelines is not to have too many pages"

This is something I haven't seen heard before and it seems to fly in the face of Google who seem to award bigger sites. After all if you take the advice you read everyday in the Google News forum to keep adding new content you are going to end up with a site that has "too many pages."

Like Zeus my sites are as clean as they come and they have ranked in Yahoo for 3-4 years now. Some more feedback by members on the paid inclusion argument would be very interesting...

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3200 posted 12:26 am on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>I don't think this is the case as I don't have duplicate content on my sites...

hehe. But do OTHER sites have your content on them?

eyezshine

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Msg#: 3200 posted 9:54 am on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yeah do others have your content? This is a big problem I think google has with 302 redirects.

But does Yahoo have a similar problem? Maybe?

The problem I seen with the index pages indexed only were some of my sites were cross linked.

They were not cross linked like a->b and b->a, They were cross linked by the internal pages only. and not the home pages. Maybe Yahoo is filtering this out now?

The new sites I built were not cross linked like this. They just had one link from one of my sites home pages to jump start them a little.

I just assumed that cross linking was page a-> page b and b->a which was bad. But it seems that they are counting entire sites now?

So my sites are no longer cross linked that way either. The only way to figure this stuff out is to test and learn from your mistakes. It's not like there is a manual for the search engines. They just give you general instructions that don't mean much.

It's like opening up the directions for putting together your new bicycle and they say...

Step 1, Put together bicycle.

Step 2, Ride.

Sometimes it would help if they were a little more detailed in their instructions?

eyezshine

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Msg#: 3200 posted 9:58 am on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Am I the only one that noticed that yahoo updated on friday afternoon?

menton

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Msg#: 3200 posted 12:09 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

eyezshine - "The problem I seen with the index pages indexed only were some of my sites were cross linked"

I think you might be on to something here. I have done some checking across my sites and other competitors for cross linking and all the sites I have checked that rank well in Yahoo were not cross linked.

Might this be the answer?

Abigail

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Msg#: 3200 posted 4:01 pm on Mar 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

eyezshine - no you are not the only one that noticed - 1/2 my traffic is gone..............

eyezshine

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Msg#: 3200 posted 1:20 am on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I still don't see what's so bad about cross linking? If you own one website and link all internal pages to your home page it's ok.

But it's the same to me if you have 15 websites and link every page of those sites to one website's home page. Or linking all your sites together?

What's the big deal?

I agree that sitewide links should only count as one link but filtering out all pages that cross link is just pointless?

I guess they are trying to make it fair for the big companies that can't rank well. Big companies are some of the biggest babies I ever seen!

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3200 posted 4:50 am on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

But it's the same to me if you have 15 websites and link every page of those sites to one website's home page. Or linking all your sites together?

What's the big deal?

Cross linking is one of the oldest penalties out there. The big deal is that people build networks of sites then artificially inflate their inbound links. Bad SEO 101. ;)

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 11:30 pm on Mar 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just cant remeber how I look for hijackers on yahoo, maybe thats the problem here.

on google its allinurl:www. or inurl:www

grail

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Msg#: 3200 posted 1:36 pm on Mar 9, 2005 (gmt 0)


those with only homepages indexed have you seen any pages come back today?

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 5:56 pm on Mar 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Still the same and 3000 links to me.

WallyWorld

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Msg#: 3200 posted 10:38 pm on Mar 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a site that is about 7 years old and since the spyder fights on 2/2/05 only my home page is in the Yahoo serps.

I have two other newer sites (all three sites are crosslinked a little where they compliment) that have most pages in the Yahoo index.

I know of quite a few others having Yahoo problems since Feb. so I think they are tweaking the engine and adding back sites very slowly.

The only think I can think is that I closed my Overture account at the beginning of the year. Maybe Yahoo retaliated. So, I'm thinking of re-opening the Overture acct now.

eyezshine

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Msg#: 3200 posted 5:34 am on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

I was just thinking about what all my sites that went to home page only indexed had in common and realized that last month I 301'd every one of those sites from non www to www.

Maybe that made yahoo start over fresh and index only my home page and then next update include the new pages?

I seen yahoo do this to brand new sites where they indexed the home page and then later on they indexed the rest of the site.

Of course my new sites allready had the 301 non www to www when I built them so they weren't affected.

What do you think?

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 1:15 am on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I also noticed they do update that single page, but simply dont ad new pages, so it is not a yahoo bug I think its a way to make us pay for inclusion or a penalty, but for NO reason.

Nuttakorn

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Msg#: 3200 posted 6:19 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't know what happen to my client sites from #1 Widgeststan hotels, right now it is disappeared. I haven't changed any things in that site. I have checked the index, there are shown only homepage. How can we solve the problem about this? It effect to my other client sites too.

[edited by: martinibuster at 6:57 pm (utc) on Mar. 15, 2005]
[edit reason] removed specifics [/edit]

2_much

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Msg#: 3200 posted 8:13 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

So far whenever I've seen this there's a penalty. I read that Yahoo has left the home page of penalized sites in the database so if people look for the domain, they can find the relevant info, enhancing their relevancy.

In terms of removing the penalty. I'm not sure that you can have penalties automatically removed. Perhpas if it's an overlinkage penalty, you could remove the internlinkage and monitor to see if the pages come back.

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 8:51 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

2 much I also think its a KIND of penalty, but I must admit I just can see where some those sites have done anything wrong and internal links can not bee it, I as a user likes when there are a lot of linking on the site so you quickly can move around on the site.

Its just one thing why are so many of those that has got this part ban also been a member of a yahoo including program.

esllou

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Msg#: 3200 posted 10:04 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

I had a situation from November to early Feb where there were TWO instances of my home page and nothing else.

wrote to Y about it and they TOLD ME it was a penalty but were vague about why.

I cut all inter-site links and cleaned all ads off front page and wrote back saying I had "resolved the problem" (which was rich seeing as I didn't even know what the problem was!) and I never heard back from them.

but....within three days, I saw that my site had ten pages in the index, then 20, then 30. They added about ten pages a day and the total now stands at 190! 2000 more to go!

leveldisc

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Msg#: 3200 posted 10:16 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

Cross linking is one of the oldest penalties out there. The big deal is that people build networks of sites then artificially inflate their inbound links.

What is meant by cross linking exactly?

knoir

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Msg#: 3200 posted 11:31 pm on Mar 15, 2005 (gmt 0)


What is meant by cross linking exactly?

Cross linking is when you have excessive linking between your pages.

A good example is this:
Page a links to B-C-D-E
Page b links to a-c-d-e
etc,

leveldisc

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Msg#: 3200 posted 2:32 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

This is what confuses me. The example above perfectly describes a menu.

Do you mean sites or pages?

I understood it to be where

Pages on site A link to pages on site B and site C
and
Pages on site B link to pages on site A and site C
and so on.

Whereas

Pages on site A link to pages on site B and site C
and
Pages on site B link to pages on site C

is not cross linking.

Anyone?

esllou

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Msg#: 3200 posted 2:40 pm on Mar 16, 2005 (gmt 0)

no, cross linking is when you have too many links BETWEEN DIFFERENT SITES, not interlinking pages on one domain.

that is what creates the network which Y and others don't like...especially between unrelated sites ...knitting and WMD for example.

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 8:44 pm on Mar 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

How should I contact if I want my whole site in yahoo again, because Im sure the only URL problem is a kind of ban/filter for what ever reason.

Anyone know who I can contact, so I know what they dont like, I just cant find ANYTHING wrong.

colin62

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 3200 posted 12:27 pm on Mar 25, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes. This Yahoo update is really wierd.

I too have lost all listings (around 300) except for the main index page. The Yahoo slurp is all over the site though.

I checked the domain early this moring in Yahoo and it showed a about 20 pages re- indexed with a rankings less than before. I checked again a few hours later and these had disappeared again with just the index page remaining.

The same thing happened the previous day. A few pages re-indexed and then gone again.

Looking at the logs, its seems the slurp can't get enough.

Hope its just a re-jig and I'll be back soon. The site has not broken any rules as far as I can see.

Anyone else had this problem?

nuevojefe

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Msg#: 3200 posted 8:45 am on Mar 29, 2005 (gmt 0)

As MB suggests, first check who else has your content. This seems to have plagued a few of our larger sites to death.

zeus

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Msg#: 3200 posted 3:53 pm on Apr 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is there realy no way to find out if you have got a bane on yahoo or not, ok I can not see any reason for a ban, but something is done.

What can I do, as some of you I also just have my index page indexed in Yahoo.

Another thing does anyone here have the exact meta/robots text to exclude yahoo bots for search and images, because if they dont include the whole site why sould I be listed at all and I do get some visits from searches www.mydomain.com but thats just not enogh so I whant them to go to another se to look for my site.

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