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Will Yahoo! be next 'King of Search'?
Yahoo! Search Developer Network and Search Web Services
BigUns



 
Msg#: 3191 posted 2:15 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

The Yahoo Search Blog [ysearchblog.com ] today announces the Yahoo! Search Developer Network and Search Web Services.

Yahoo now has more images indexed than Google. Some folks estimate that Yahoo now has 5 billion web documents indexed, comparable to the 5 billion estimated to be indexed by Google excluding the supplementals in their 8 billion figure, and exceeding estimates of what MSN Search really has for searchable documents.

Many folks, myself included, are finding Yahoo SERPs relevant and free of much of the spam infesting Google, on subjects from relativity to fine arts.

MSN launches a new search Feb 1, amid much fan-fare, and hardly anyone seems to notice or care. Google stumbles in February with an oddity called Allegra and gets all the attention. Meanwhile, Yahoo quietly moves forward on multiple fronts and continues to impress. Is the future threat to Google dominance and #1 position really going to be Yahoo/Inktomi and NOT Microsoft as so many assume? :)

 

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3191 posted 6:40 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

MSN launches a new search Feb 1, amid much fan-fare, and hardly anyone seems to notice or care.

There's been quite a fuss about MSN around here. MSN doesn't generate news as well as Google, Yahoo, or the king of marketing, Ask Jeeves. So maybe generating fake news like "independent" research and prognostications is something MSN should work on so that forum people can talk about it like something was really happening.

Nevertheless, there is meaning in the lack of chatter.

Google stumbles in February with an oddity called Allegra and gets all the attention.

Google twitches and gets more attention than anyone else. Is that a measure of how important they are, or merely how many people follow them?

Is the future threat to Google dominance and #1 position really going to be Yahoo/Inktomi and NOT Microsoft as so many assume?

Yahoo is innovating at a fast pace and taking their own path, apart from Google's path, to providing what they feel users want. So the question might be, will Google be able to respond to the changing user base and give them what they want? Google offers amazing technologies, but the blank slate home page- how long can they keep that up before a generation grows up and finds it boring?

Remains to be seen whether Yahoo's tightly integrated suite of tools will appeal to users more than Google's loosely connected set of tools. One thing's for certain, this race is tightening up.

[edited by: martinibuster at 8:16 pm (utc) on Mar. 1, 2005]

walkman



 
Msg#: 3191 posted 7:58 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

for one Yahoo responds to complaints and issues. Google has ignored (as far as we're concerned) the 302 bug because I still see it happening. Yahoo fixed that ages ago.

vitaplease

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Msg#: 3191 posted 8:03 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo missed out on really internationalising. Something Google did more cleverly. Yahoo will have to come out with a few killer app's to (re)capture non-US/Asia webtraffic.

Strange if you see what Yahoo paid for several web properties and what fraction of that money could have been spent on translating the basic Yahoo search into other languages.

troels nybo nielsen

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Msg#: 3191 posted 9:39 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo! Ya-who? Oh yes, those people who left Scandinavia after trying in vain for several years to get into the top 4 of search.

Conard

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Msg#: 3191 posted 9:49 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think they had their shot at the top.
Now it's up to the next new name in search to de-throne the king.

twebdonny



 
Msg#: 3191 posted 10:25 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

for one Yahoo responds to complaints and issues.

Oh yes, those form letters are so helpful...

Queen of Search...

pshea

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Msg#: 3191 posted 10:32 pm on Mar 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Funny to find this thread. Just a few moments ago, I checked the logs for one of my websites and was shocked to see Yahoo beat Google out as referrer. This particular site is sought out by young women primarily in their 20s and 30s. Even though I have the same positioning in both GOOG and YHOO for this site, Yahoo has delivered a whopping 40% more visitors than GOOG.

webhound

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Msg#: 3191 posted 1:22 am on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

martinibuster - Nice post...

fedtmule

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Msg#: 3191 posted 5:19 pm on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

For scandinavia they have

[dk.search.yahoo.com...]
[no.search.yahoo.com...]
[se.search.yahoo.com...]

it even has news search. Cool imho.

ken_b

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Msg#: 3191 posted 5:58 pm on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Did anyone see the interview with Jerry Yang of Yahoo! on the Charlie Rose show (PBS)last night?

[Apparently they don't post a transcript online on the CR website, or I just can't find it.]

Charlie Rose asked Yang about the battle for top billing in the search world between Google, MSN, and Yahoo!

Yang gave an interesting answer. If I understood him correctly, he said that he sees the future as these three outfits offering really three very different products based on their individual views of what searchers want.

It sounded like Yahoo! was headed in the direction of extensive personalization of search, including "intelligent search". That sounded like Yahoo! would "learn" a searchers patterns and preferences and provide serps accordingly.

But then maybe I misunderstood.

soapystar

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Msg#: 3191 posted 6:17 pm on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Is that a measure of how important they are, or merely how many people follow them?

isnt that the same thing?

martinibuster

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Msg#: 3191 posted 6:50 pm on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>isnt that the same thing?

No. Popularity and importance are not the same thing. The herd, I mean the crowd, is often mistaken.

For instance, The Velvet Underground released one of the more important albums of the early 1970's (The Velvet Underground & Nico) but it didn't go anywhere and was quite unpopular. Part of the problem was that they released the album in 1967. hehe. Yet that album, and the scene created around them, came to define a part of the seventies that filtered down to mainstream culture much later on. It was important, but not popular.

While the number one song according to Billboard Magazine for 1977 may have been You Light Up my Life by Debbie Boone, seminal bands like the Sex Pistols and Joy Division were forming and defining what the music of the next twenty five years would sound like. While not popular in their day, they were far more important in the world of music than Debbie Boone.

Yahoo is pursuing a strategy of being useful to their users, and doing so in a very flexible modular environment called My Yahoo. The horse isn't across the finish line but it sure looks like a winner to me. Even though the Yahoo forum is currently not as popular as the Google forum, that does not diminish Yahoo's importance. So perhaps the viewpoint depends on whether you are looking at it from the perspective of a leader or a follower.

soapystar

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Msg#: 3191 posted 9:32 pm on Mar 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

yet Elvis was both popular and important!

id have to say im not sure how many people will judge Google important by whether the search they do today looks good in 20 years. You'd haave to think important for a search engine is whether it meets your needs at the point of use. When people here talk about important i think they think about the amount of traffic it can provide for their website. Again that would be here and now.

incrediBILL

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Msg#: 3191 posted 1:08 am on Mar 3, 2005 (gmt 0)

King of search?

Not bragging, just the facts, I've dominated a major keyword in top 10 ten results on many search engines for many years now and Yahoo and Ask/Teoma used to send statistically significant amounts of traffic to my site.

Then Google came along.

I'm still #3 on Yahoo and #1 on Ask/Teoma, yet 3% of my total site traffic (9,000 visitors) are people clicking my listing for that keyword from Google where I slid to #11 a few months ago. So, if Yahoo's #3 listing can't produce as much or more traffic than a #11 position on Google, they must be doing something very wrong.

BigUns



 
Msg#: 3191 posted 4:20 pm on Mar 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

incrediBILL: Yes, you are bragging; but that's OK. What isn't clear is why you post in this thread from a viewpoint of how you rank in SEs and how those rankings convert in the present - Does your opinion change suddenly if the Google Allegra update whacks you and your G rankings and traffic drop off a cliff? Can you spell m y o p i c?

martinibuster: While I agree with much of what you say, I will take issue with "There's been quite a fuss about MSN around here." My post clearly referenced the Feb 1 date, and any fair reading of MSN forum activity thereafter is that it was basically moribund. A lot of activity before the "official" launch, but more like a deflating balloon thereafter. I concur with the last two paragraphs of msg #2.

Rollo

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Msg#: 3191 posted 5:35 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think Yahoo Serps are improving and might be more relevant in a lot of areas these days. Yahoo also seems to be indexing sites faster than ever. The problem is that, in my business line at any rate, a click from Google is worth far more than a click from Yahoo. That is, Google seems to be used by for more serious businesses and folks with financial resources than Yahoo. This is a casual observation.

I think people would take Yahoo search more seriously if they got rid of all the schwag on their home page.

Tim

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Msg#: 3191 posted 6:45 pm on Mar 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

Rollo,
Have you tried using the search.yahoo.com page. It is quite uncluttered and you can also remove the news and mail modules if you want a search box only page. Not many people seem to know about this page yet.
I do agree that this page is very inaccessible and the average person will not find it and it does not solve the issue you bring up with our main homepage.
Tim

tenerifejim

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Msg#: 3191 posted 10:22 am on Mar 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree with Martini Buster, when we look at the future of search/ web browsing/ information retrival it shouldn't be purely from our perspective (what I saw yesterday in my logs), it should be from the user's.

Yahoo as a portal has a greater base of users daily than anybody else on the web. It provides better user services than Google. If Google thought that Yahoo was not worth worrying about, why is it moving more and more toward alternative services outside of pure search.

Google see value in the kind of thing that Yahoo do and (I would suggest) feel threatened by it. I think we should definately take notice too.

webnewton

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Msg#: 3191 posted 10:57 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

It's not going to be an easy task for Yahoo.Google will have an edge for a long time. Yahoo's portal look unlike a unadulterdated search engine look of Google is a huge disadvantage for Yahoo.

peewhy

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Msg#: 3191 posted 11:57 am on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google's ego or complacency could see Yahoo taking the lead.
Imagine this scenario;
SEO is having problems with achieving good rankings for many clients in Google ...because of Googles fits and spasms.

He does however achieve good rankings in Yahoo consistantly. He informs his clients that Yahoo is becoming 'the' search engine to direct more energy because big G is on the slippery slope.

Clients take this 'advice' on board and begins to use Yahoo instead of Google...and tells his friends.

Soon the word gets around and the smoke turns into fire.

gerd

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Msg#: 3191 posted 12:45 pm on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)


I believe Yahoo has more to give in the future(and now as well), at the moment Google struggles to find an index ,I have follow many postings here and what I can see looks like google have huge problems with that so called alegra oddity update, I made a check at many google's data centers
and I show an amazing phenomenon ,clicking on those deferent IP data centers you can see results changing every secont(i.e just put a key word and refresh some times then you will see what I mean) now what kind of a search engine is that when you don't have a clue what you will find at your next search. Yahoo stays stable and the end user want stable results.

peewhy

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Msg#: 3191 posted 12:51 pm on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I don't think the vast majority of Google's users know of, or even care about Google's stability.

gerd

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Msg#: 3191 posted 12:57 pm on Mar 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

"I don't think the vast majority of Google's users know of, or even care about Google's stability."

if you are a schisophrene at the fisrt stadium of the illness you look normal but someday you kill a few duzins then they realise whow sick you where and they put you on the white cloth.

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