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Yahoo's Q4 Take Increases 3 fold
- Grosses a Cool One Billion.
Brett_Tabke




msg:844757
 3:00 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

BizWire [home.businesswire.com]

Revenues were $1,078 million for the fourth quarter of 2004, a 62 percent increase compared to $664 million for the same period of 2003.

 

adfree




msg:844758
 3:16 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

I bet there anything but a paaty going on at the Googleplex tonight...

TinkyWinky




msg:844759
 3:17 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

From the first para:

relentless focus on delivering the most innovative products and services on the Internet

Yeah right - like stuffing your search with your own results (in certain topics) and ensuring that unless you pay - you'll only appear WAY down the listings.

Way to go.

Get your search product sorted and you might make even more guys!

mikeD




msg:844760
 3:35 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

i thought yahoo just copy everything google does, could be wrong

HughMungus




msg:844761
 4:20 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

i thought yahoo just copy everything google does, could be wrong

Like contextual advertising?

ownerrim




msg:844762
 4:21 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

To put this in context, does anyone know offhand how much google's annual revenues are currently?

Freedom




msg:844763
 4:32 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Couldn't have happened to a greedier bunch of people.

HughMungus




msg:844764
 4:38 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google earnings Q3 '04: $52 MM ($123 MM if you exclude one-time charges)

Yahoo earnings Q4 '04: $373 MM ($187 MM if you exclude one-time profits)

[edited by: HughMungus at 4:39 pm (utc) on Jan. 19, 2005]

exmoorbeast




msg:844765
 4:39 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Tinky didn't you say you were having problems spammin Yahoo? ;-)

christopher w




msg:844766
 4:41 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Official Yahoo! Press Release:

PDF [docs.yahoo.com]

TinkyWinky




msg:844767
 4:48 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

exmoorbeast - LOL

always a little problem - doing it so that you don't get caught ;)

ogletree




msg:844768
 4:57 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

How can you compare the 2. Google is not even the same kind of company. Google is a search comapny. Y is a huge portal/isp that does some search. Search is a loss leader. Y will always make more money than G. It's funny people will go to Y and play games or check their mail but go to G for their search. Y is my ISP but use G for search.

HughMungus




msg:844769
 5:00 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Somebody asked. I laugh when people say Yahoo emulates Google. That might be true for some technical and search functions, but in reality, Google would love to have the kinds of revenue streams and the diversification of revenue streams that Yahoo has.

caveman




msg:844770
 5:30 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Stunning.

>copy

Yeah. One of the best and most tested business strategies around. Being the innovator is risky, dude. Watch, wait, do it better. A safer, smarter way to travel.

Yah**! = Entertainment
G**gle = Search

Almost different worlds at this point. We focus on the similarities. The rest of the world is enjoying the differences, as ogletree points out.

Namaste




msg:844771
 6:23 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

they're making way too much. Time to grap some from their pie.

bears5122




msg:844772
 7:39 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Whether you like them or not, Yahoo! has built themselves up as the most powerful web property out there. Search is just one aspect of Yahoo!.

I believe Yahoo has the top IYP on the market and it doesn't come cheap to advertisers. They also have Yahoo! stores, auctions, and a personals section that costs money.

The bread and butter however will come in their network banner advertising. The number of impressions they are able to serve throughout their network on a daily basis is absurd.

In the end, they have diversified and put themselves in a position to succeed. Yahoo loses its search engine market and they are still very profitible. Most of their search traffic comes from regular Yahoo! users as well, and they have less of a chance of losing market share as Google does.

There is no comparision to Yahoo! online these days.

mfishy




msg:844773
 10:25 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Search is a loss leader

This is simply false.

limitup




msg:844774
 11:16 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Agreed - you can't even compare the two. Google literally has one revenue stream to speak of, and click fraud is turning into a very serious problem that threatens their whole operation. No matter what they say or do there is no possible way they can control click fraud. I only hope that for Google investors' sake they figure out some more ways to make money before the you know what hits the fan. Adsense as we know it today will be very short-lived ...

martinibuster




msg:844775
 12:50 am on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seems like Search is a loss leader to me. I could be wrong, though. But it seems like that's why it was outsourced to Google. There's a lot of resources that get poured into search with zero returns. It's up to PPC to cover it. They give away the service and monetize with PPC.

limitup




msg:844776
 1:21 am on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well they kind of go together ... you can't have one without the other. That's like saying cars are a loss leader - after all the auto makers generate the majority of their profits from parts sales and repair. Auto makers are in business to make money, and so are search engines. But I wouldn't say search is a loss leader. Search is just half of the business model and selling ads is the other half.

tictoc




msg:844777
 2:24 am on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would check out the article by Motley Fool on the real revenue of Yahoo this quarter. Part of this increase came from them selling Google shares...

The stock is doing great but is it WYSIWYG...

mikeD




msg:844778
 2:56 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Somebody asked. I laugh when people say Yahoo emulates Google. That might be true for some technical and search functions, but in reality, Google would love to have the kinds of revenue streams and the diversification of revenue streams that Yahoo has.

I was referring to search basically, obviously yahoo cant copy things Google hasn't done.

But basically wherever you look Yahoo has ripped the idea off someone.

So like the reports says yahoo,

create innovative products and services on the Internet

is the joke i am laughing at.

markis00




msg:844779
 8:21 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

While most everybody has posted negative comments here, I owe some praise to Yahoo. More then 80% of my search engine traffic across a number of sites currently comes from Yahoo; I find optimizing for their current algorithm much, much easier then Google. It is predictable and stable right now. I haven't been able to get spots on Google...ever.

Between Yahoo and Adsense, I make a good living.

caine




msg:844780
 7:13 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

After just reading the doc on revenues and profits, i'm impressed to put it mildly - looks like there turning things around a little thats some big gains at someone's expense!

xcomm




msg:844781
 11:15 pm on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo's Q4 Take Increases 3 fold

Yahoo's Q4 SE seems to increase too. So I would not say they think it is a money loss.

I would say they may have hired the more smart and geek people (maybe some of the best of Google too :-) - as Yahoo has build the best algo they ever had in Q4.

tictoc




msg:844782
 11:49 am on Jan 26, 2005 (gmt 0)

I agree Yahoo has done an awesome job (horrible customer service though). It is a stock I am proud to have but the downside is the competition of the new MSN, but I do not see any revenue losses in the next year from MSN because I am sure they will keep using Overture PPC ads unless MSN has it in their cards to buy someone like looksmart... we will see..

Yahoo and MSN as a portal are huge - AOL plans to be a portal competitor so it will be the year of the battling portals..

Lets just be glad MSN did not buy Google. The more competition the better.

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