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Why wont Yahoo index my site revisited.
Grinler




msg:838975
 3:29 pm on Jan 4, 2005 (gmt 0)

2 months ago I posted a topic about trying to figure out why Yahoo refuses to fully index my site. This topic can be found here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

It is now 2 months later, and I am still having the same problem. Last month I received approximately 500,000 referrers from Google yet only about 5,000 from Yahoo? Do these ratio's sound right?

Also the amount of pages indexed have a huge discrepancy, which is most definitely affecting the numbers above. Google has about 41,000 of my pages indexed, while Yahoo has 653 pages indexed.

I am trying to figure out why Yahoo refuses to fully index my site. I am very content rich with an active forum. Does the fact that I use Google adsense deprioritize me with Yahoo? Could I be on a Yahoo blacklist for other reasons?

Anyone have any tips?

[edited by: martinibuster at 4:30 pm (utc) on Jan. 9, 2005]
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goodroi




msg:838976
 5:46 am on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo has indexed your site. They are just not ranking it very high (which is also why you are not getting alot of traffic).

Google has not indexed 41,000 pages from your site. If you search on Google you will see that they show just the url, and not the title and description. This means that Google knows the page exists but hasn't been able to crawl and index it.

Adsense is not impacting you and yes it is always possible to be on Yahoo's penalty list. I would suggest just getting more links, review your site for any possible dupe content and look into mod rewrite so the engines can index the rest of your site.

Grinler




msg:838977
 4:51 pm on Jan 6, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yahoo has indexed your site. They are just not ranking it very high (which is also why you are not getting alot of traffic).

I agree and disagree with you here. Yahoo is definitely not ranking me high so I agree there. On the other hand they have definitely not indexed my entire site. I just tested this by looknig at a forum post from June. Its in google's and msn's index but not yahoo's. I have tried this with numerous posts and static content. Now I understand that not every page is going to be indexed on a large site, but I would have expected more.

Google has not indexed 41,000 pages from your site. If you search on Google you will see that they show just the url, and not the title and description. This means that Google knows the page exists but hasn't been able to crawl and index it.

Ok fair enough. I hope that means at some point google will index those pages. Still though, if I do a google search of a popular keyword on my site like this search query:

site:www.widget.com hjt

I get around 1650 results all of indexed pages. Lets say some of those are repeats...so we are generous and knock of 50%, that leaves me with 825 valid indexed pages. Now do the same query on yahoo and there are only 125 results. Once again this shows that yahoo is not fully indexing my site.


Adsense is not impacting you and yes it is always possible to be on Yahoo's penalty list. I would suggest just getting more links, review your site for any possible dupe content and look into mod rewrite so the engines can index the rest of your site.

I have approximately 4600 backlinks that i can see with google. I think thats quite a bit.

I h ave no dupe content on my site.

Mod_rewrite has been running for the past couple of months. Definitely helped with google, but did nothing with yahoo.

Thus you see my predicament. Would contacting yahoo help at all? Would they even tell you if you are being penalized for some reason?

[edited by: martinibuster at 5:49 pm (utc) on Jan. 7, 2005]
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troyid




msg:838978
 11:44 am on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

Good luck contacting Yahoo. I did this last year by sending an email to webmasterworldfeedback@yahoo.com

After about 1 month of me trading emails with Yahoo I was left in the same situation as when I started. They told me that my site was not penalized but they would not offer an explanation as to why my site does not rank.

I hardly get any traffic from Yahoo and MSN as a consequence. My site ranks very well in Google so I don't know why it doesn't in Yahoo.

Let me know if you have any success.

twebdonny




msg:838979
 3:08 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

One Word: competition....

Grinler




msg:838980
 3:18 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

One Word: competition....

I am not sure what the relevance of that is :)

twebdonny




msg:838981
 3:44 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

If your site competes in any way with Yahoo
for sales...keyword...competes...

Grinler




msg:838982
 4:54 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

So you feel that if someone has google adsense on their sites, Yahoo is going to penalize them? That does not seem to be in their best interests to their search engine quality.

soapystar




msg:838983
 5:54 pm on Jan 7, 2005 (gmt 0)

i would imagine whether its in the interest of their revenue model is more to the point.

twebdonny




msg:838984
 1:05 am on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

interest of their revenue model is more to the point

oh so true...

Grinler




msg:838985
 2:15 am on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

It would be bad business practice to penalize a site for using a competitor's ad program.

That would leave a large segment of the Internet unindexed by Yahoo,as many sites use Google AdSense, which would lead to bad serps at Yahoo, which eventually leads to loss of revenue for ads on their search engine.

martinibuster




msg:838986
 3:45 am on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

Does the fact that I use Google adsense deprioritize me with Yahoo?

If that were to happen, the AdSense forums would be lit up with all of us connecting the conspiracy dots. But it's not happening so it's more than safe to say that Yahoo isn't penalizing adsense sites.

Could I be on a Yahoo blacklist for other reasons?

Being partially indexed is hardly a blacklist, so it's a stretch to use that kind of language for your situation.

If the content in question is Forum content, then my opinion (and feel free to disagree with it) is that there may not be enough unique content on the page to make it worth indexing.

twebdonny




msg:838987
 3:40 pm on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

It would be bad business practice to penalize a site for using a competitor's ad program.
That would leave a large segment of the Internet unindexed by Yahoo,as many sites use Google AdSense, which would lead to bad serps at Yahoo, which eventually leads to loss of revenue for ads on their search engine.

now you are seeing the light my friends

competition, yahoo stifles competition

ps: not all adsense sites compete with Yahoo....

martinibuster




msg:838988
 4:47 pm on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

>>>competition, yahoo stifles competition

Dude, you are so wrapped up in your little point of view that you fail to see that the statement you quote contradicts the point you are trying to make. Yahoo is not stifling competition any more than Google is filtering out commercial results (which is another of the tin hat theories).

Yes, in many places Yahoo has endeavors like travel that compete in the serps, big deal. Google competes with shopping aggregators and ecommerce sites via Froogle and the Book Search. Yahoo is a portal that offers many services, including it's own, much like a department store offers many brands including private label brands.

The flaw in your argument is that you are taking a fact (that Yahoo competes with it's own products) then leaping to an assumption that Yahoo is stifling competition. That is not reasoning, it's speculation.

I think we should keep the discussions to what we know, and not try to pass off theories and speculation as truth. You are free to make speculations because sometimes when you keep digging you might find something to it. But be sure to label it what it is: speculation.

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