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It is My Opinion that the Old Inktomi PFI is the Problem
zeus




msg:835352
 9:49 pm on Dec 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have 7 websites all indexed in yahoo - 2 of them I paid for a indexing in inktomi(yahoo) and it is those 2 sites that are only represented with www.mydomain.com in yahoo search, so Im sure they have stop on all those who had paid for indexing before.

I will not pay a dime, because you also have to pay for PPC adds and there is not every category on the net where that pays off, not my category thats for sure, some sites need a lot of traffic to get any revenue.

 

martinibuster




msg:835353
 9:22 pm on Dec 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks like zeus is the only one having this problem... Anyone else?

outland88




msg:835354
 10:51 pm on Dec 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe the old Inktomi PFI causes our problems. But we've also got sites surfacing now in Yahoo with duplicates of our pages using fast redirects. Plus in Yahoo Beta we've got three sites stealing our meta tags and posing as us. So Lord knows it could be a plethora of things with Yahoo. Every one of these sites has been booted out of Google and that only happens to the worst offenders. What more can you say about Yahoo and their peculiar ways that hasn't already been said.

Plenty of people have the old Ink problem they just don't want to be BS'ed anymore.

nuevojefe




msg:835355
 11:19 pm on Dec 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

same here. Who do you have to pay to get a site re-evaluated? :-)

mastervisa




msg:835356
 1:36 am on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I thought I had the same PFI Ink problem as zeus and others around here that have mentioned the PFI ban, until I read another post on a different thread from user thowze. He said he paid Ink for 2 years and stayed in the Y index after the paid inclusion was dropped. hmmm. Just trying to figure out what happened and how to fix it.

outland88




msg:835357
 2:25 am on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

The penalty may be related to the actual seller of the PFI services. That's why you may see a discrepancy. To me it's still a gamble to recommend to anybody based upon the variety of complaints that have appeared in various forums over the past year. If you think itís worth the risk of vanishing from so many engines go for it.

soapystar




msg:835358
 2:59 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

problem seems to be with how bans/penalties/bugs whatever you wanna call 'em, how they were implemented in the past. It seems too be a problem for Yahoo to overide what was done previously for certain types of affected sites, this may mean recent sites that dropped INK are not affected, but until yahoo come clean then as Outland says, its a gamble.

mastervisa




msg:835359
 5:05 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

We registered a new domain with NetworkSol' four years ago. It said now promote your new site with this: Posit'Tech and Ink PFI. Great, it makes sure I am submitted to Y and others. We added a couple of different existing sites then, on Y since '98. When Y dropped it, all were dropped. Still in Y directory and DMOZ, but 100% SE traffic is from Goog where i am at the top of serps. My old competitors on Y are having a field day, and laughing, since I'm not there anymore. And I don't know why for sure.

webmktg




msg:835360
 5:25 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm experiencing a similar situation. Yahoo list only the Home Pages and returns it when searching for www.mydomain.com.

Freedom




msg:835361
 5:49 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Not to sound redundant - but to confirm that what has happened to others here has happened to me as well.

My solution has been to set up new websites just for Yahoo, and the old ones for Google. A .htaccess file keeps out the wrong search engine from either site.

Setting up websites just for Yahoo/Google is not what I wanted to do, it is what Yahgreed has forced me to do.

I paid about $300 to get certain domains and pages into Inktomi and I got burned, big time - just like everyone else.

On a side note...

Now, I find it interesting that the main keywords I watch on Yahoo show something unethical. Only Overture advertisers are in the top 10 of the organic results. I watch these serps carefully and know everybody. Recently, a new site/clinic I never heard of is #2. Just popped in out of nowhere. Is it a coincidence that his website is also one of the top paying Overture advertisers all of a sudden?

That's just 1 example of half a dozen other I have of the same thing going on.

It's not "scientific" evidence that Overture PPC placement influences the natural results, but I think a statistical case could be build against Yahoo.

Imaster




msg:835362
 6:00 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Looks like zeus is the only one having this problem... Anyone else?

I launched a site in May and it got crawled very quick in Yahoo. Around 2k pages got crawled and indexed. Then I decided to get greedy and bought myself a paid directory listing for this site. No sooner, disaster struck my site. I started observing only robots.txt visits by Yahoo slurp and all those 2k pages slowly disappeared from the index. All this happened after I bought Yahoo directory listing for my site.

And yes, The home page can be found using the method the others mentioned above.

Numerous emails to Yahoo proved futile until recently when they replied for the first time (around 25 days back) and said that the site should get crawled in the next update. I noticed slurp crawling the higher level pages (around 25) regularly for 10 days, but they haven't showed up in the index yet. But now again the robots.txt phenomenon has started.

God knows whats happening with Yahoo these days.

So Guys the moral of the story is: If you want free lunch from Yahoo, never pay them a dime.

caveman




msg:835363
 6:06 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

2 of them I paid for a indexing in inktomi(yahoo) and it is those 2 sites that are only represented with www.mydomain.com in yahoo search

zeus, are you saying that these sites are performing well, but only show the URI in the SERP's?...e.g., as opposed to your titles? Or that you can only find them using the URI as the search term?

Also, out of curiousity, when did you pay for the pages in question? Pre- or post- Yahoo ownership of INK?

And, are some/all of these pages ones that may have been penalized at some point?

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<OT>
One of the many problems in trying to sort out the logic of the Y SERP's, given their continued VERY spotty nature, is pinning down what is not indexed, versus what has been nicked by their crazy dup filters, versus what might be some old INK penalty or PFI problem. I find it easier to assess the nature of problems with G than with Y.

In our case virtually every page we ever PFI'd gets good results in the Y SERP's. That includes both old INK PFI's, recent INK PFI's, and Y! PFI's. We no longer pay for that service at all, and have suffered no ill effect.

It is still the case that Y! shows some but not all of our subpages, even when two subpages are equally important, with different content, and on the same site. But I think this is either a crawling issue or a badly constructed dup filter issue.
</OT>

zeus




msg:835364
 9:13 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

the 2 sites that are index only on yahoo performs badly, I bought post yahoo/ink non of them has had any penalty.

Its just this inktomi thing is the only real explanation for this situation, the other sites are having a good time with party and drinks,but the 2 other are lonely all there friends are gone, how can Yahoo do this.

flobaby




msg:835365
 10:23 pm on Jan 5, 2005 (gmt 0)

Well, I've got an experiment going myself. My 2 PFI accounts (one PositionTech, one Lycos) were due to expire this month and next month. After the last Yahoo "up"date, where my SERPS got crushed to the max, I decided to "cut off my arm" now, so if there was healing to do, it'd happen sooner and while my positions were already down. I made both accounts inactive a couple weeks ago. My subpages are still appearing in searches (though on the 2nd, 3rd and 4th pages mostly...all due to the last update) so nothing has changed yet. Though from what I read, if my site is to dissappear, it could happen within a few weeks. I'll keep you posted.

Just a note, I've been in the Yahoo directory since 1998 and am listed as the 8th most popular site in my category (though you'd never know it from the latest results).

luvdavy




msg:835366
 10:52 am on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hello everyone,
Just wanted to add to the confusion. I've got an older site, very large, that's been on the top of Yahoo forever. It just got booted exactly the way you are talking about over the last two days, for no apparent reason. I did the title search like was suggested earlier in this thread, and up popped a couple of pages from another Widget Beach site that apparently contained my exact, and long winded title.
I've written to the copyright people, but you can't seem to email anyone else and get an answer.
I've never paid for anything for this site...never.
it's Widgets.net if you would like to see if you can tell what happened. I've got masses of links on it, but it's because it's been around so long and I do Widgets websites...they all want to be linked.

There is a person here in town who used to have hundreds of small affiliate sites that got booted and blames me. I have a feeling this somehow has been caused by that person, either deliberately duping content, or something else to cause the problem.

I would appreciate any help here.

Thanks,
Jan

[edited by: martinibuster at 4:11 pm (utc) on Jan. 12, 2005]
[edit reason] No urls, thanks. See TOS [webmasterworld.com] [/edit]

zeus




msg:835367
 10:49 am on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just got a letter from Postion Tech that I have 3 days left of the 12 month sub., then I send a email back that the site has out of 12 month only been indexed with the index page for 6 month, so I will NOT be a part of such scam.

I thought the subscribtion was ended some time ago.

mastervisa




msg:835368
 5:39 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I remember reading this a while back and forgot about it. It is still posted on the the Ink support page. I was a search submit customer from NetSol and P'Tech. I remember they were wanting me to switch to Sitematch. Doesn't this sound like your Y traffic will end if you don't switch?

IMPORTANT NOTICE ABOUT INKTOMI SEARCH SUBMIT
Yahoo! Search has transitioned to its own search technology. As a bonus for Search Submit customers, Yahoo! Search is providing a free trial of Yahoo! traffic that will end on April 15, 2004. When the new inclusion program launches, Search Submit customers will have the option of joining the new program for ongoing participation in Yahoo! Search results.

jcbereznay




msg:835369
 6:30 pm on Jan 12, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have the same problem with a 40k + page site that had been driving thousands of Y! visitors daily. After the Inktomi paid submit ended, this site was dropped entirely to where the only visitors I receive is from my Y! directory listing (few hundred a day). Hopefully this is not intentional on their part, but that they just are not in any hurry to address it - if they even know about it..

I wonder if joining the site match program, using a URL of a site map or something would help get these pages indexed?

As a side note, isn't there a Y! associate that visits these forums once in a while? I've seen so many posts regarding this problem (and many heated) that I think a response should be given. I'm surprised they haven't done this already considering the possibilities exist for some mad-hatter to go to the press with this, or cry class-action lawsuit.. that could be disastrous for them. I know if I was in charge of risk management, I'd be all over this..

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