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Not having much success with Yahoo
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hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 3:06 am on Oct 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

Even for terms for which I rank high in Google, I just don't seem to show up in Yahoo and I don't know why. They've indexed my site but the cache is old and there robot doesn't seem to visit very often. What am I doing wron?

 

hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 1:35 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does no one have ideas for me on this one?

RFranzen

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Msg#: 2777 posted 3:16 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

I suggest you list your home page in your profile. Then anyone interested in taking a look will be able to. (Webmasterworld rules prevent listing your URL in a post, so the profile is sometimes the only way to actually communicate important info.)

-- Rich

hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 2:52 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thank you Rich. Please check your sticky mail. Now I am really confused. I just checked Yahoo again. I am listed in the business directory in two categories yet a site: search turns up absolutely nothing for my new site that was launched February this year. There are a LOT of links to my site though from other sites.

The surprising thing is that there are a TON of pages from my old site still listed but the cache is very old and I now have NOINDEX,FOLLOW tags on most of those pages. Is Slurp efficient enough to eventually follow the links and go to my new site and add it to the index.

sem4u

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Msg#: 2777 posted 3:08 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is Slurp efficient enough to eventually follow the links and go to my new site and add it to the index.

In a word - NO!

Yahoo! still has real problem with redirects which still hasn't been resolved. Two of my sites have the old domain names coming up with pages that are actually on the new domains!

RFranzen

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Msg#: 2777 posted 7:44 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

My experience is similar to sem4u's. When I moved pages from ISP hosting to my own domain, most old pages were set to autoforward. Yahoo! was actually listing the old URL's but caching and basing search results on the new pages. After 5 months of that craziness, I finally closed the old pages altogether. This effectively dropped me from Yahoo! for several weeks. I'm indexed again with my new pages, but ranking is really low. For my main search words, my page went from #2 (old url w/ new text) to about #160 (new url w/ same new text). It's kinda sad to be beaten by a high-ranked listing which reads, "This page has moved". :(

Until Yahoo! fixes itself, I don't think there is a good solution for Hermosa. As long as Yahoo is listing your old URL's, it won't list your new ones. And when it does list your new ones, you get no credit for possibly years of high-ranking presence.

-- Rich

hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 8:18 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's really unfortunate. I held the number one spot in my most important categories for a long time. I spun off some of my services to a new company and launched a new company late last year. I uploaded the new sie January second. For a while I had domain forwarding from the old site to the new but I just couldn't get the new to show up. FINALLY, the domain forwarding addresses (www.keyword.newsite.com) are no longer showing up in Yahoo and I am at number 1 position for "keyword blue location". I am no where to be seen for "keyword blue". Meantime, I moved my old site to the new hosting service at the end of February. I had 7 years worth of material to convert to the new format and move to the new location. It shows up in the Yahoo directory under a VERY old location that I have appliedm in vain, for Yahoo to change many times. For a while a few pages appeared in Yahoo and now "poof" they are gone. It's like starting from scratch after being listed at Yahoo for 7 years...any advice?

hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 9:37 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well it took me so long to edit the last post that it's now too old to edit so, with my apologies (here is what I was going to put in place of my last post):

It's really unfortunate. I held the number one spot in my most important categories for a long time.

Maybe I should walk you through the steps I took. For years I had a site sitting on the free space provided by my ISP. My site was [isp.com...] I then got my own domain name and used URL forwarding to point visitors to my site (virtually) seamlessly to the web pages. With URL keeper the domain (http://www.mycompany.com) or sub domain (http://www.keyword.mycompany.com) would show up in the location bar. With me so far? I showed up fine in both Google and Yahoo.

Last year, for business and marketing reasons, I spun off some of my services to a new company and created a new website for it called www.newcompany.com I uploaded the new sie January 2, 2004.

For a while I had domain forwarding from the old site pointing to some pages on the new site. I wanted to make a smooth transition and give the pages from www.mynewcompany.com time to show up in the rnakings. Only problem is they just never did.

By that time, I realized that Florida and Hilltop had really pounded my old site. I also no longer liked the design of my old site (it was 3 years old). It did not look professional when compared to the new one. So, I decided to change the design, host the new pages at the same place where I had had the URL forwarding and gradually convert 7 years worth of material over to the new location. It was a ton of work. At first the domain showed up just fine www.mycompany.com Then, it was sandboxed in Google and treated as it if were a brand new domain. It just didn't seem to be turning up in Yahoo except for the index and the pages pointing to the new site.

After a while, the domain forwarding addresses (www.keyword.mycompany.com) were no longer showing up in Yahoo. I have disabled them only to find that www.mycompany.com is gone.

The good news is that I am at number 1 position for "keyword blue location" for www.newcompany.com. However, I am no where to be seen for "keyword blue" and none of the other pages in that domain show up in Yahoo at all even though I have submitted them. I have never seen Mozilla Slurp! in my logs. Googlebot is constantly around and just did another deep crawl. They show up well in Google for keyword blue location, keyword red location, etc.

I have now moved most of my old site to the new hosting service. wwww.mycompany.com and all of the sub directories show up pretty well in Google for all "important keywords location". The still don't rank for "important keywords". (These keywords are totally diferent from the ones for www.newcompany.com)

I have put "noindex,follow" tags on most of the pages from [isp.com...] Yet they still show up in Yahoo and some of them rank pretty well. The cache's seem very old but some of them are pages saying "we have permantently moved this page to http:/www.mycompany.com/importantkeywords

I was thinking of leaving my archives over at my ISP for some of my old articles but now I think that is a bad idea. Reactions? The only pages still there without the "noindex,follow" tags are archives of old articles (14) and my links pages (6).

In the Yahoo directory under a VERY old location that I have applied in vain MANY times, for Yahoo to change, www.mydomain.com shows up. For a while a few pages with the format www.mycompany.com/keyword.html appeared in Yahoo. Some made the top 20 for "important keywords location" and showed up, up until last week. Now "poof" except for the listing in the Yahoo directory (regional section under my old region) they are all gone. It's like starting from scratch after being listed at Yahoo and ranking well for 7 years...any advice? If I ever have to do a site move again, how should I handle it? What do I do now to salvage the situation.

I hope I haven't confused everyone.

hermosa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 11:33 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now I notice that I am no longer in MSN either even though MSNbot visits my site regular and was there 11 times today. Now I am really confused.

lazycat

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 12:00 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

MSN has been using yahoo's search results for some time. The MSN bot, as far as I know, has no bearing on what pages do and do not appear in their own results.

hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 1:31 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

So why is MSN bot crawling my pages? It's still going and looks like it's going to crawl every page on my site today.

super_seo

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Msg#: 2777 posted 4:21 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Have a look here:
[webmasterworld.com...]

hermosa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 3:51 pm on Oct 16, 2004 (gmt 0)

Still looking for some solutions on this one.

afterburner

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 10:59 am on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I do not understand how a search on Yahoo.com for bad credit mortgage loan you come up with the search engine Teoma in the number 9 spot? What is that?

nalin

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 8:38 pm on Oct 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would be extremly interested in anyone who has ranked well after 301s (intra domain or cross domain).

In March my site changed our backend from a cfm one to a php one. All old pages were mapped to corresponding new ones via 301's.

Some 7 months later yahoo still lists (and slurp still visits) a handful of the cfm pages. No external backlinks to the pages, nothing problematic elsewhere, but the cfm redirects are still listed. Most ironic, perhaps, is that one of the larger reasons for the switch was that the vast majority of our prior site was unindexable - so the timeframe reflects switching over perhaps fifty indexed cfm pages.

I have also noticed that the number of pages yahoo does have are extremly minimal (~500 which is a small percentage of the site).

Our ranking on yahoo was not particularly good to start with, we had a handful of three word terms which held promise but nothing more significant. Since the change we definitivly dominate our industry within G while yahoo and MSN all but ignore us. I am not necessarily impressed with the site these two engines return (specifically not because I am not present - rather the competitors of ours that are listed generally have underdeveloped sites in comparison to stronger competitors).

In any case...bump...if anyone has the goods on Y and 301's please do share.

hermosa

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Msg#: 2777 posted 10:24 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now I am REALLY confused. The URL for the site for my 2nd company which first appeared only as secondcompany.com is now displayed correctly in Yahoo. I has been appeared as number one for "blue widgits location"

The original site, new doman is now appearing the top ten for "red widgits location" BUT it appears as:

[mycompany.com.hostingcompany.com...]

This is SO frustrating...how do I get it fixed?

hermosa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 10:31 pm on Oct 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Oops I spoke too soon. It appeared earlier today and now it has disappeared again. Like what is going on?

isitreal

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Msg#: 2777 posted 4:00 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

<<< I would be extremly interested in anyone who has ranked well after 301s

I have the same experience as others in this thread, rebranded my old domain to a new domain name, put in 301s, site ranks the same, includes the old pages, which were not renamed, but in the serps the old domain name is still listed, with the new pages, it's getting indexed fairly well, but yahoo just can't get the domain name changed in their system. It's an odd bug, I don't get much yahoo traffic on that site, the target audience uses google almost exclusively, which still has the site in the sandbox, so traffic is pretty much dead compared to before the rebranding. It will be interesting to see which comes first, getting out of the sandbox or yahoo finally listing the new domain.

phantombookman

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Msg#: 2777 posted 6:01 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Unless your keywords are very competetive it is easy to rank high on Y - just load up the KWD! (Google will dump you of course but........)

I find Y a waste of time myself, one site I have has 700+ pages listed in G but only 6 in Y!
Even though I have numerous #1 returns in Y the traffic is often virtually zero compared to G.

For me and my area Y is hardly worth considering
Regards
Rod

isitreal

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Msg#: 2777 posted 11:25 pm on Oct 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I thought yahoo was a waste of time too, but that was before we got our number 1 target keyword number 1 in the serps, and the traffic started coming in, traffic we have to pay to get from other search engines, yahoo/msn is around 30% of our incoming traffic from search engines, not fantastic, but not bad either, people use them, normal users anyway, technical users don't seem to do much with yahoo/msn.

mark1615

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Msg#: 2777 posted 1:29 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am interested in phantombookman's comment about Y not being worth the time. We rank very high in Y for a number of important keywords. Competition for them ranges from 200,000 - 2,000,000. We get strong traffic from them. Is there something about your area that makes Y unimportant? I am curious about this - in theory a #1 SERP on Y or G should yield similar traffic...or not?>

soapystar

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Msg#: 2777 posted 8:17 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

except if your keywords happen to be something that Yahoo is also selling then in affect you will never be top of the serps......

phantombookman

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Msg#: 2777 posted 8:49 am on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Mark
I think the real issue is, which is why I qualified my earlier remarks, who uses what search engine.
My stats show a huge bias towards G, far greater than their market share.

Anecdotal evidence from all the people I meet seems to show they only use Google.
An interesting thing for me is to look at these boards in comparison to what I see elsewhere. I do not personally know anyone else who builds sites etc or even understands them. All of these people tend to follow the same pattern. I believe it is important to look at these things as many of us fall into the trap of thinking others think as we do.

A fine example is the firefox debate. Outside this forum I don't know anyone that has even heard of it!

isitreal

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Msg#: 2777 posted 1:31 pm on Oct 28, 2004 (gmt 0)

Who uses Yahoo/MSN? People who don't change their default browser search settings, IE is set to MSN. Yahoo website users, that portal is pretty heavy traffic. People who know nothing about search engines, and don't care, and just use what they're used to. I think the stats are around 30%, that's what we get, seems to reflect roughly the statistical averages, our users are not tech savy.

<<<< A fine example is the firefox debate. Outside this forum I don't know anyone that has even heard of it!

Currently Firefox/Netscape use is rising, on one commercial, non-geek, reasonably well trafficked site we are getting between 5-8% mozilla/firefox/netscape users.

There's a lot of people out there who may not know much about computers, but do know that their systems have been taken over by malware, or who read the wall street journal, or USA today, or other major news sources, all of which have published articles, especially the CERT advisory against using IE.

A recent study showed that about 80% or more of all IE Windows running computers are filled with malware. People don't like this, and have taken notice. Sysadmins are taking notice, you can save yourself a lot of work on a big network by switching users to Firefox/Netscape. But I don't want to go off topic, just to point out the gecko numbers are real, and they're growing very fast, firefox just now released version 1.0.

I don't ignore yahoo/msn, and I don't ignore gecko browsers, they are projected to go up to 10% fairly soon, that's a number far too high to ignore.

hermosa

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 1:02 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well it took forever, but 15 of my pages are FINALLY showing up in Yahoo and ranking for "blue widgets location" and "green widgets location"

RFranzen

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 2777 posted 4:10 am on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Good news, Hermosa. I'm glad that Yahoo! eventually straightened itself out in regards to your pages. :)

-- Rich

GerBot

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Msg#: 2777 posted 1:05 pm on Nov 5, 2004 (gmt 0)

Glad to hear good news hermosa.

But I think you are part of a bigger November 5 update so make sure you look at the global changes not just what you have done.

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